Opposition to outdoor smoking ban

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Tuesday, December 29, 2009
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City council leader Carl Minns says he will stub out any moves to ban outdoor smoking in Hull.

Some senior figures within the city's health sector are believed to be in favour of introducing an outdoor ban in public places, such as streets, parks and playing fields.

They argue that copying proposals for a zero tolerance approach in New York is the only way to tackle Hull's high rates of cigarette-related health problems,

But Councillor Minns says he will never back the idea, claiming it would erode people's civil liberties.

And he has ruled out the prospect of support from the council, which would have to enforce any ban.

The Mail understands the issue has already caused rifts between officials at the primary care trust, NHS Hull, and the city council.

Earlier this month, the Audit Commission highlighted tensions between the two organisations over how Hull's health problems should be addressed.

In a review of the city's public services, it said there were "different views at senior level" on how partners should be tackling some health issues.

The commission concluded the two bodies were "not working as effectively together as they should".

Speaking at a full council meeting, Cllr Minns acknowledged the gulf between the two.

He said: "It's fair to say we have a difference of opinion on our views on certain public health issues and on the methods of tackling them.

"As a Liberal, I am not in favour of wholesale prohibition while some people in the primary care trust want to take a more enforcement-led approach."

Cllr Minns, who is a non-smoker, added: "I do not believe in an extension of the existing smoking ban , either locally or nationally.

"In my view it would fundamentally undermine civil liberties and freedom of choice.

"I am aware some councils are looking at trying to introduce a ban in some public areas but I think such a ban would be unenforceable.

"As long as I am leader, this council will not be banning smoking in the open air and will not be infringing on people's rights."

The city council pre-empted national legislation introduced two years ago by taking a lead in banning smoking in all of its buildings.

Since the smoking law came into force, a total of nine fixed penalty notices have been issued to people in Hull caught smoking in enclosed public spaces.

The primary care trust has subsequently continued to champion the cause by promoting smoking cessation sessions and recently announcing plans for a walk-in health centre in St Stephen's shopping centre, where people will be able to get advice on quitting the habit.

The Hull and East Yorkshire Hospital Trust has also introduced a blanket smoking ban covering the entire sites of Hull Royal Infirmary and Castle Hill Hospital in Cottingham.

No-one from NHS Hull was available for comment.

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    by Tory_J, Cottingham

    Friday, January 01 2010, 1:40AM

    “Yes i accept that i am an addict, but i did happen to used to enjoy it.

    No, i do not feel threatened that i am in a minority because i really dont care!!!!!!! as i said it is my choice.”

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    by chas, Bully State

    Thursday, December 31 2009, 10:49AM

    “James said 'Do you accept that you smoke because you are addicts? NO. I enjoy smoking and find it helps me to relax.
    Do you accept that you drink because you are addicted to alcohol or do you enjoy it?”

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    by james, newland

    Thursday, December 31 2009, 9:09AM

    “I have two serious questions for the smokers:
    Do you accept that you smoke because you are addicts?
    Do you feel that you are a threatened minority?”

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    by DarthBlyton, Trumpton

    Thursday, December 31 2009, 6:22AM

    “SHUT UP!”

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    by Lin, west hull

    Thursday, December 31 2009, 4:35AM

    “I see 'Random' is back on his favourite soap box & he now has a contender for his place as biggest ranter against smoking in 'james, newland'.”

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    by tory_J, Cottingham

    Thursday, December 31 2009, 1:23AM

    “Yes smokers do stink and there is probably not a smoker out there that would dispute that fact!!!. I myself am a smoker and hate to see the outside areas of the city littered with fag buts, and having my clothes and on occation arms burnt but as we all know it is very addictive and difficult to kick. That said it is a persons choice and should be respected as such, the non smokers should count themselves lucky they have not gotten into this filthy and expensive habit, the NHSA spend just as much money on hireing equiptment and treating morbidly overweight patients as it does smokers.”

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    by Merlin, Hull

    Wednesday, December 30 2009, 11:21PM

    “Yet again this week NHS Hull has inspired me to write a response to yet a further example of their unerring propensity to make absolute fools of themselves. Not content with buying a yacht, they now expose themselves as more than a just a bureaucratic leviathon. In trying to ban smoking in public they are now skirting on the edges of tin-pot boggle-eyed interference in people's liberties. I do not smoke. I hate the habit. But even more than that I despise the sheer cheek of NHS Hull in overstepping the mark on this issue. With the change of government I believe that the curent leadership will be sorted out in fairly short order. Fall out that man!”

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    by Dr Death, Still Digging

    Wednesday, December 30 2009, 11:20PM

    “Also does political solutions..”

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    by Dr Death, Digging the hole

    Wednesday, December 30 2009, 10:18PM

    “Simple, smoking kills, drinking kills, the people who smoke n' drink are addicts (Omg I need a drink/smoke) this is a death wish...so line them up and shoot them..proberlem solved..simple really..”

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    by Ash (Ashley), Hull

    Wednesday, December 30 2009, 9:17PM

    “fiona, Anlaby. I don't smoke and I'm also not a bigot and take pleasure in allowing others to get on with their lives without turning my nose up at them. I've made an exception for you because of your undignified comments. Perhaps you should learn to keep your over sensitive and prying nose out of other people's business.”

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