Matthew Grove: 'I do not want to ask people to pay more for policing'

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Tuesday, January 22, 2013
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HUMBERSIDE police and crime commissioner Matthew Grove has said he does not want to increase council tax bills.

Mr Grove has asked residents if they would be willing to pay more towards the police as part of a consultation on his police and crime plan.

  1. efficiency savings:  Humberside Police and Crime Commissioner Matthew Grove.    Picture: Jerome Ellerby

    Efficiency savings: Humberside Police and Crime Commissioner Matthew Grove. Picture: Jerome Ellerby

However, the commissioner said he would prefer to keep the police precept frozen.

"My opinion is I want to freeze the precept," he said.

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"The first port of call for additional funds should not be the pockets of hard-pressed local residents.

"I will not ask for more money from the public until I am absolutely certain I have exhausted every possible efficiency saving."

If the council tax is frozen, Mr Grove will be given a one-off grant of £400,000 from central government – equivalent to increasing the precept by one per cent.

As part of the consultation, Mr Grove is asking residents if they would be happy to pay an extra two per cent.

It would add about 7p a week to the bill of a band D council taxpayer.

Mr Grove said: "Increasing the precept by two per cent would give us an extra £400,000, but would mean putting a lot of extra charges on the public of this area.

"They are hardworking people who are struggling to pay their council tax.

"I have said consistently, and throughout my campaign, that I do not want to see council tax rise."

Despite his own views, Mr Grove said he is keen to see if the public feel the same.

"I have to present my budget and the precept to the police and crime panel and I don't want to tell them it is just something I want to do, I want to be able to tell them I have the support of the public," he said.

"If I have an overwhelming response from people saying 'don't put it up' – which I hope and expect they will do – then they will see I have that support."

Mr Grove has to present his final budget and five-year police and crime plan to the panel in March.

Andrew Allison, of the Taxpayers Alliance, said: "He says he personally wants to freeze the precept, but he would not rule out an increase. But whether he will propose an increase will depend on what the public tells him, and, crucially, the public don't know what he would spend an extra £800,000 on if he rejects a Government grant equivalent to 1 per cent of the budget.

"Despite his assertion that he wants to freeze the precept, what he said looks like a back-door way of grabbing more of our cash.

"He has given himself enough wriggle room based on residents' views.

"Of course, we will never read exactly what residents tell him.

"If officers convince him a rise is needed, how closely will he question what they say?"

Members of the public are being asked for their thoughts on the plan as part of a six-week consultation.

Mr Grove said: "This is very much a first draft and I don't expect the final plan to look the same at the end."

Visit www.humberside-pcc.gov.uk to view the plan.

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  • Profile image for AdPotentia

    by AdPotentia

    Wednesday, January 23 2013, 6:44PM

    “If we all volunteered to pay an extra quid just for this year, would they set up a specialist investgation squad to probe the dark corridors of City Hall and the greed ridden rooms of the East Riding's county hall?”

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    by dlscaiwgh

    Wednesday, January 23 2013, 12:20AM

    “Mr Grove I am a resident and you have not asked me! I have been paying a police precept as part of my Council Tax Bill for a number of years.The police are virtually non existent and if I am paying for a service I expect to receive it. Mr Grove get rid of your Deputy and save us all some money. I believe that you did the dirty on us by getting a deputy and not saying anything whilst you were canvassing. So please do not expect me to believe a word that you say. I will not be paying extra.”

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    by smartguy1

    Tuesday, January 22 2013, 9:36PM

    “Asked to pay more so they can send traffic cars out to sit in petrol garages with a speed gun fastened to the rear windscreen like the one in Bilton on New Year's Day. I think NOT Mr. Grove. This is a typical political ploy to extract more money from the public. We are already down £9k gross in our household income due to change of jobs forced by redundancy and job evanluations so we say no more. We want to pay less not more and as for you Mr Grove, were you not earning enough before as a councillor as well as income from your own business.”

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    by Hosni

    Tuesday, January 22 2013, 10:23AM

    “Grove Stop talking like you have a real role to play. You will eventually dance to the tune of Eric ***** les and hit us all with increased bills for a service decimated by you and your political ilke.”

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    by Humberview

    Tuesday, January 22 2013, 10:06AM

    “Leadership Mr Grove? Decide, then tell the public what you want to deliver, cost it and plan the finances accordingly. Make efficencies where possible & then identify what you need to fill the gap & the options for filling it and the consequences of not filling it. Then let the public have a say. The draft plan, as the Tax Payers Alliance point out, says nothing about what he hopes to achieve. In other words it isn't a plan at all but a mess of language that would leave most people totally clueless. I read somewhere else that a member of the Office for the Commissioner said the 'plan' was written with partners in mind not the public. Not exactly the idea of the PCC to my understanding. This ' I don't want to do something but the public may want me to' without saying how he will measure and gauge public opinion is a smokescreen. if the plan is written for partners, not the public, it will be they who comment. As most partners are after a contribution from the police guess what they will say? This is transparent nonsense by someone who self-evidently just really hasn't got a clue what he's doing. Embarrassing.”

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    by PatrickNewman

    Tuesday, January 22 2013, 9:48AM

    “It is surprising that HDM gives so much space to the Tax Payers Alliance. This is a political campaigning pressure group that essentially is anti public services expressed through the issue of funding these services. Their funding sources are a little opaque to say the least. What is missing from Mr Groves statement are the implications of freezing council tax and taking the Pickles 'penny'. Reductions in central government support grant have and will produce cuts to services and freezing CT will require further cuts when the arrangement unwinds. This is why some Tory councils are now going for an increase in defiance of Pickles cunning little plan. So Mr Grove level with the people and spell out the consequences of no tax increase on police services.”

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    by Kustard2011

    Tuesday, January 22 2013, 8:21AM

    “Well said BLAKEY.
    This whole issue is a farce. Now the selection of a Chief Constable is to be conducted by Gove the PCC who is neither qualified or experienced to conduct such a selection. What a joke this is.”

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    by Blakey_

    Tuesday, January 22 2013, 8:07AM

    “Nobody voted for your deputy and its a job which is not needed. Get rid ans save the taxpayer £45k.”

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