New Princes Avenue restaurant 'would be one too many', Hull councillors decide

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Friday, February 08, 2013
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PLANS for a large restaurant in one of Hull's most vibrant streets have been refused after concerns over commercial overcrowding.

Councillors expressed fears that too many bars and restaurants could leave the popular Princes Avenue in the lurch if revellers decide to move on to a new area of the city.

  1. Pleased:   Stephanie Wilson, chairman of the Avenues and Pearson Park Residents' Association, at  10-12 Princes Avenue,  west Hull.  Picture: Simon Renilson

    Pleased: Stephanie Wilson, chairman of the Avenues and Pearson Park Residents' Association, at 10-12 Princes Avenue, west Hull. Picture: Simon Renilson

Agent Ettridge Architecture Ltd wanted to convert two historic houses in Princes Avenue, west Hull, into a restaurant with more than 100 seats.

But planning committee chairman Councillor Sean Chaytor raised concerns about the number of bars and restaurants on the street.

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He said: "We need to consider how long the ebb and flow will last. The Marina used to be very popular, as did Beverley Road, but they are not anymore.

"We don't want Princes Avenue to be left with empty bars and restaurants."

The committee was split and it took Cllr Chaytor's casting vote to tip the balance.

Avenues and Pearson Park Residents' Association chairman Stephanie Wilson is pleased by the refusal.

After the meeting she said: "I hoped the victory might have been a little more definitive but we are delighted.

"I think there are enough bars and restaurants. We can't have all our eggs in one basket because, if the bottom falls through, we will be left with nothing.

"This proposal would also have caused further parking problems on the street and it is residents off the side streets that would suffer."

The two Victorian properties that would have been transformed into the restaurant were originally homes for workers at the former Botanic railway station.

Mrs Wilson said: "There isn't as lot of respect for the history of this conservation area.

"These houses are a link to the past when we had the botanical gardens and a railway station."

A previous attempt to secure a change of use for the two houses to convert them into a bar and restaurant was rejected by planning councillors several years ago.

Councillor John Fareham criticised the design of an extension which formed part of the plans.

He said: "This is not a high standard of design. This is like a box and I could have drawn it in my sleep.

"It will adversely affect the character of the area and it will take away open space in front of the existing buildings."

Ward councillor Simone Butterworth spoke against the plans.

She said: "There has to be a balance struck between residential and commercial use. This is affecting the safety of residents and more bars and restaurants will be too much.

"There are already parking problems in the street and this will make it worse."

David Ettridge, of Ettridge Architects Ltd, said: "I am passionate about heritage buildings and we have already been shortlisted for our work at Holy Trinity Church.

"These houses are not in a good condition and are used by social services as a halfway house.

"We feel this would be an exciting addition to the street and increase its vibrancy."

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  • Profile image for munk63

    by munk63

    Tuesday, February 12 2013, 12:15PM

    “If there's a parking problem this site might make a good car park.”

  • Profile image for bigcjlchris

    by bigcjlchris

    Monday, February 11 2013, 8:18AM

    “yes Mr Chaytor hull marina was massivly popular and money making but when the council decided to revoke the licenses of all but the old historic pubs on marina they had to close and have been closed since nicely thought out,,i know that some companies have expressed a interest in investing in marina only to be knocked back by the council because they are all idiots and shortsighted,marina could be just like the canal area of birmingham perhaps or even rival leeds but they dont want that..they would just prefer to see it crumble and decay,these people are holding this city back when it use to be quite good.”

  • Profile image for ArthurHunt

    by ArthurHunt

    Saturday, February 09 2013, 11:30PM

    “@Mark_hull_65

    Oh yes Gwenap - remember the Blow Up Sheep £10...

    Would ewe believe it?”

  • Profile image for funky15

    by funky15

    Saturday, February 09 2013, 4:02AM

    “ivr worked for 40 years now when i should be settled im now looking how to provide for me family, my house i bought has lost value etc. good old england.”

  • Profile image for funky15

    by funky15

    Saturday, February 09 2013, 3:57AM

    “OH THEY DID LOL.X”

  • Profile image for funky15

    by funky15

    Saturday, February 09 2013, 3:55AM

    “I WISH THE COUNCIL OPPOSED THE SPRINGBANK AREA,”

  • Profile image for Mark_Hull_65

    by Mark_Hull_65

    Friday, February 08 2013, 6:35PM

    “More NIMBYism from the self-appointed god of the avenues.

    If it were left up to the good Ms Wilson Princes Avenue would be nothing but Gwenap (now gone I understand) and... Well... Gwenap and she probably doesn't approve of that either.”

  • Profile image for Troy_Rudeface

    by Troy_Rudeface

    Friday, February 08 2013, 4:43PM

    “OH Mr Chaytor!
    The Marina and Beverley Road areas both "became unpopular" as you put it by the Council itself - and people like you - trying to "socially engineer" popular nightspots.
    The Marina was deliberately destroyed in some attempt to make it a residential hotspot (never happened) and its demise also managed to basically take out the whole City Centre in that respect (good work!) and the "business" deliberately moved onto Beverley Road. When drunk people getting mowed down brought you lot to learn the error of your ways - an A-Road doth not maketh a good spot for binge drinking - business slowly transferred to the Avenues.”

  • Profile image for AG-OldTown

    by AG-OldTown

    Friday, February 08 2013, 4:04PM

    “It is not down to where it is it is down to the quality of the food, if the food is good people will come. In regards to comparing it to Beverley road without trying to offend anyone as I used to live off there it is abysmal. It is like Wembley that used to be a nice place but now it is a hole that needs burning and rebuilding from the ground up but that is Brent council for you.”

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    by JayOnly

    Friday, February 08 2013, 3:07PM

    “I ain't bothered if there's another restaurant or not, I'm happy with the Thai, Indian, Chinesee, Pave, we don't need a BIG restaurant, do we? It won't bring extra jobs because other sites might have to close. There's only so much money to go round and a BIG restaurant would take revenue from all the other, more varied, venues. And, when Prinny Ave dies, -'cos it will - all that will be left would be these properties going to dereliction. If there's a need for halfway houses re-build these sites...give someone a decent standard of accommodation.
    Refuse it...tough world out there.”

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