“As more and more people come forward with their stories of how they were molested by this man and his associates there are two inevitable trains of thought. The cynics will say "they should have come forward while he was alive". The realists will say "if they're telling the truth he deserves his memory to be dragged through the mire".

Only time will tell, it will be interesting to see if there are any others of his era that are still alive, that can defend their actions. I read a report the other day that implied that he was merely taking advantage of the adulation of his time and that, because there was no threat of AIDS or hepatitis he was just doing what was deemed the natural thing. Oh yeah? Bullwash!”

“No it wasn't "smashed up and dumped in a skip".

It was removed and stored by the funeral directors who erected it.

I imagine all his gear that was auctioned off recently will prove to be a bad investment.”

“Apparently, it's going to a landfill site. I hope it has been smashed up first. It's a pity he wasn't brought to justice.”

“really don't understand why every one is coming out with these alegations now he is dead, he cant defend himself and cant be punished so why bother ? these girls kept quiet for long enough so why do it now ?”

“texas _tiger, it was smashed up and sent to landfill.”

“Did Savile's family have suspicions thro' the years ?

It seems very odd it is them who hastily instigated the removal rather than defend him”

“I`m in no way condoning what he`s allegedly done but I think it`s a little bit strange how many of these girls went back for seconds and are only now screaming abuse.”

“Apparently there are references to his 'love of teens' in his Autobiography (now out of print, although still apparently available on the eBay). Can't see anyone bidding on it, just to have their stomach churned by his apparent weaknesses.”

“Just waiting for Mandy Smith to start accusing Bill Wyman of abusing her when she was under age.”

“Flossy

I find it strange too that some went back for seconds (and thirds and fourths) and I think of the 1968 song...Young Girl

What sickened me, was learning he had denied visiting the Haut de la Garenne home in Jersey”

“What of the bands that have taken advantage of young, impressionable fans over the years?”

“I do think that we`re forgeting the difference between teenagers in the 60`s / 70`s with the way we look at them today.
We were alot more savvy and streetwise then. Afterall we had saturday jobs at 14, left school and went into full time employment at 15. Nowadays an employer won`t employ anyone below 17. We were treat like, expected to be and encouraged to act like young adults.

We only have to look at the `stars` of the 60`s to see how times have changed. Helen Shapiro was 14 when she had her first chart hit, Lulu was 15. They looked and behaved like adults.
It`s hardly surprising then that 14 and 15 year olds allowed themselves to be put in a situation where an older man could use his celebrity for his own purposes. What is surprising is that it`s taken all these years for them to decide that it was wrong.”

“flossy

Couldn't agree with you more. As L.P. Hartley wrote, "The past is a different country. They do things differently there."

As proved by my last comment about Mandy Smith who started dating Bill Wyman when he was 47 and she was 13. And she was out in night clubs when she met him - with the full blessing of her mother.

I am sure that there are many, many middle aged women out there who followed pop personalities in their early teens with the sole purpose of sleeping with them.

Having said that, I have always thought that he was creepy and no man would have been as chaste as he pretended to be. But I imagined he was probably gay.”

“g69,

I think we`re definitely on the same wavelength here. I too thought he was gay and the fact that he had an ( to me) unnatural idolisation of his mother was a bit odd.
I`m sure I`m not alone in thinking that if a certain `pop star` of the time were to show me a bit of interest, I might have been tempted. Mind you he would have to have been devastatingly goodlooking and alot nearer my age.

I still cannot believe the amount of people that are coming out of the woodwork claiming to have known but have done absolutely nothing.”

“Some of the accusations are too extreme to be believable and could easily be made by attention seekers and band-wagon jumpers. My wife was a care worker and her two sisters finished as senior nurses and had they seen any thing remotely as serious as molesting of patients they would thumped and reported the offender.One of the women claiming they were raped at 15 said she only realized later it was rape and she carried on having sex with Savile for SIX more YEARS. The allegations are disgusting but they are just that, allegations. It is easy to see why 15yr olds kept quiet at the time but why now?
Also why lump Liz Kershaw [who?] and other molestees together with Saviles accusers when these people say "everybody knew abusing/groping went on?”

“Well, having seen the fresh allegations of abusing sick and disabled children in hospital and the higher uppers having influence over the lower downers to keep their traps shut, words fail me !

It appears those who were "close" to him despised him but was he so arrogant he believed he was revered ?

I reckon the odious creep knew what was coming and that's why he wanted a concrete blanket around his coffin”

“The worst part about all this is whatever he did, whether he did it to one girl or one hundred he has got clean away with it but there'll be others that were up to the same thing in his band of friends. I bet they are twitching at every knock on the door....”

“If the allegations about the molesation of patients in hospital are true, why didn`t the nurses that knew about it insist on doing ward rounds with him.

To know that he was interfering with girls but leaving him alone with them is in itself a form of abuse.

The more that comes out, the more cynical I`m getting.”

“I shouldn't be at all surprised, if over the coming weeks, we'll hear of a spate of suicides within the BBC and NHS”

“flossy

Yes there was a certain pop star who I idolised when I was 14 and would have been happy to run away with him, had he so asked. I'd have probably run away with him a bit earlier than that but he didn't start appearing on TV until I was 14.

But not Savile, never Savile. Ukkkkkk.

Wonder if all the accusers have been contacted by Neil Hudgnell - or his ilk?”

“g69,

Exactly what I was thinking.

If I`d been daft enough to have put myself in the situation that some of these girls have done, I would have put something on the " done a silly thing that makes your blood run cold" post.
In other words I be thinking, " Phew that was a bit daft but I got out of it ok ".

Are you going to tell us who your heart throb was then?

Go on...I`ll tell you mine if you tell me yours ;-)”

“flossy

Montgomery Clift. Sadly by the time I saw his films he was dead, plus later I discovered he'd been gay.

Well he was the other one. I can't name the one I was referring to because it would give my age away!!!”

“g69,

Well I don`t know who I was expecting but it wasn`t him. I googled him and he was quite goodlooking wasn`t he? And he was only 45 when he died.

I was very shallow and fickle when I was young and had loads of crushes. My first proper one was Peter Frampton, lead singer with The Herd. I honestly thought I was in love with him.
Then came David Essex closely followed by Eric Stewart of 10cc.
I`m sure there were others.

I really should have started a new thread with this shouldn`t I?”

“flossy

Yes I saw him in The Heiress - I think that was when he looked his best - and it was love at first sight - but he was dead by then. Apart from him and the one that can't now be named (because it would give my age away) I didn't ever like anyone else. Not in that way anyway.

Wonder if anyone else will dare to add a comment about who they fancied when they were under 16.”

“g69,

Lets see.”

“I appreciate that Freddie Star is traumatised at being tarred with the jimmy savile brush, but his mrs looks younger then the woman accused ... was she even born when all this happened?”

“and what about benny hill ... will he be next all them young women he chased ?????”

“Now surelt HE was gay?”

“I mean surely. Need to put the light on at this time of the morning.”

“g69 maybe he was and maybe he wasn't :) - now is being gay not a better disguise than a charitable man .... he couldn't possibly.... he wouldn't of liked it... it doesn't matter ..... I used to love Benny Hill and wanted him to chase me ...”

“Oh jz :-((

You loved Benny Hill?

You are posting on the wrong thread. Flossy started a better one for that but you have already posted on there about Robert De Niro. You were spreading yourself a bit thin weren't you?”

“Everybody loved Benny Hill. Well, perhaps the scantily-clad Hill's Angels but that still counts as Benny Hill.”

“Looking at all the news stories it isn't a very good time to be a DJ - or claim to be one.”

“In light of all the new allegations coming out regarding Savile does anyone else think that there are some strange claims being made?

That silly woman ( the `actress` in the wheelchair) who thinks that the hand on the knee for the extra few seconds counts as molestation. Isn`t this taking away the seriousness of the true abuse allegations?

If Savile was given free reign to walk about wards in hospitals, and the staff knew about his abuse to the extent that they told children to pretend to be asleep, why didn`t someone insist on doing ward rounds with him?

Why, considering he was only a DJ, did so many people feel the need to cover for him?
Is the money he raised more important than anything else or are the majority of these claims being made by girls who really should have known better but see a pay off on the horizon?”

“I read today that someone who worked in the same shows as Savile did stating that almost all the audience were made up of 14 year old girls, eager to make contact with any of the 'celebrities' and the problem was probably that the show producers should have insisted that under aged girls were chaperoned.

I am not being wise after the event but I never liked him or watched any of his shows and could never understand what people saw in him. But as I don't like or watch the vast majority of the celebrities or TV programmes that people rave about, that doesn't count for a lot.

Still, as John Peel is also being dragged into all this, it isn't a good time to be a DJ.”

“Feel I have to comment on the ghostwriter's 'not a good time to be a DeeJ' line.... there are many, many DJs out there that would not contemplate doing despicable acts with children. I have worked at several leisure centres and of course the Rink for many years. Kids are kids. End of.”

“GCtheDJ

me, me, me again. I named Savile and Peel. NOT you!”

“dj,

despicable acts with children.

But this is just my point. Were they dispicable acts with children?

He didn`t snatch 7 year olds off the street. Until now we`ve only heard of 14/15 year olds that put themselves in a position that allowed them to be `abused`.

Anyone who thinks that ALL 15 year old girls, then or now, are sweet, innocent or naive is deluded.
Although I wasn`t promiscuous at 15, I knew plenty that were. There were many thousands of teenage pregnancies in the 60`s and 70`s.

On another thread I asked about our first drink in a pub and all the replies were that they were underage.
If girls could dress and use make up to make themselves look old enough to be served in a pub, why then should we be surprised that they are/ were sexually active?

Yes, Savile was a creep who liked teenaged girls but don`t lump him in with likes of Robert Black or the one who has been linked with the missing April. They are two completely different animals”

“***"He didn`t snatch 7 year olds off the street"***

He didn't have to...it was laid out on a platter for him

And it seems he preferred sick or disabled youngsters”

“Pippa,

I disagree. It seems most of the information about these cases is hearsay.

I`m not by any means saying that what he did wasn`t wrong but a lot of these girls put themselves in a tricky situation and have to take responsibility for their own actions.

The media are having a field day with this. Probably the same people that built him up and covered for him”

“Whilst I note and respect your points Floss I am afraid that I do think that however promiscuous the 14 or 15 year olds were he should have known his place. If these allegations are true of course. If they are he was a predator. Simple as that.”

“I think you'll find the 14/15year olds old news now. I agree that these young teens were up for it and went back for more but

This disgusting little man preyed on sick and disabled children”

“flossyflathat; Your comments are very surprising for a female. Accused of, usually means guilty when a woman comments on such cases. Pity you are not a reporter,you could ask these people who"KNEW" what was going on some questions instead of simply allowing them to make accusations as is happening now. We now have the wife of Saviles dead ex-driver having her say as the allegations get more and more ridiculous. So " EVERYBODY" knew but not one person spoke up. This proves that whatever the truth, a lot of people are lying or at least wildly exaggerating .”

“albaz

****but not one person spoke up****

Are you following this story ???”

“Yes, I am following this story, but by "speaking up"I mean making a complaint to the police at the time or even years later, not after the man died or by saying "everybody knew what savile was doing". There are now 60 "victims", were all of them without anyone to listen to them? I do not believe that nurses went round telling patients to "pretend to be asleep" As for the woman who claims she saw Savile abusing a patient who was brain damaged, where was everyone else and not why scream at the top of your voice if you witnessed this almost insane abuse? Why do we not hear dozens of these nurses being interviewed for their accounts of saviles visits . Trial by media is wrong and all these other women accusing different men of assault should name names.”

“Should be "why not"”

“Must have been an ethereal post I sent as it vanished. Just do not believe all of the nurses would do nothing except advise patients to "pretend to be asleep". All the people coming out and saying "everybody knew what was going on " should be asked why those who could have done something, did nothing . All the women coming out with stories of almost daily assaults by different colleagues should name names NOW.”

“If all these people did speak out as they`re now telling us, why did no one, the police, NHS, BBC,
teachers, nurses, news papers and other media pick up on it?

Knowing what a hatchet job some of the Sundays have done in the past it seems very strange that there`s not been one mention until now.”

“albaz

You would be surprised how many women think the same way as flossy. We don't all need "Bic For Her" pens :-Z either.

I recorded the Exposure programme but deleted it because I couldn't face watching a parade of female OAPs whining about how their lives had been destroyed because they threw
themselves at Savile.

And while the press are attacking the BBC, if 'everyone' knew about it why didn't they do an expose themselves?”

“Well Ladies,perhaps I would be surprised and perhaps I should not have made a sweeping generalisation about the fairer sex. I find being a misanthrope affects my reasoning sometimes.”

“Slightly off topic I know but does anyone else think it`s unfair to name the man in rape cases before it even goes to trial?”

“Yes flossy I do and I am also suspicious when the women is awarded compensation from the Criminal Injuries Board. Especially when it is a 'date rape' type of incident rather than 'jumping out of a dark alley' one.

I know of one recent incident in the news where a man 'kidnapped and raped' a woman. Because his name could be reported and hers couldn't, what people didn't know was the woman was his wife and when they split up he stupidly tricked her into visiting him to try and persuade her to go back to him and went a bit too far. Yes what he did was stupid and wrong but not anything as bad as the newspaper headlines made it sound by not saying who she was.”

“g69,

Apart from the injustice of it, I don`t think the people who make these decisions realise the damage they can do to a mans life.
Even if they`re found not guilty, there`ll always be some that say " there`s no smoke".

It makes me really uncomfortable.”

“flossy

Some very bad things have been done to women by men so I suppose now the law almost always takes the woman's side - just in case.”

“As the calls for Sir Jimmy to lose his title increase, should Dame Elizabeth Taylor lose hers? I have just read that she had a sexual encounter at 12 and "almost forced herself onto Ronald Reagan" despite him being twice her age. Perhaps Reagan should be charged with rape as leaving aside the legal age aspect, surely no 15 year old girl would agree to sex with a man in his 30s would they? Dame Elizabeths friends have denounced the "wild allegations" including one that she claimed she was pregnant to blackmail F. Sinatra into marrying her.
Perhaps the silence from pals of Savile is significant, however he might just have been Jimmy-no-mates.”