“I know exactly what you mean Mutton8 and I agree to an extent. We have to remember though that the Rotherham case involves a city council and not a central government party.

If we are to discuss the case of the children, I would go so far as to say that the only ones being racist are the social workers who removed them.”

“I promised myself that I would ignore your hate filled posts, but this one is outrageous.

Labour didn't remove the children - the Social Workers did - and neither you nor anyone else has any idea what their political affiliations are. The council is investigating and Ed Milliband said

"Ed Miliband called for an urgent investigation into the case.

He said: "Being a member of Ukip should not be a bar to adopting or fostering children. We need loving homes for children across the country. That can come in different forms, it's not about what political party you are a member of."

http://tinyurl.com/cuj7zmh

As for Labour not saying what they would do instead, they don't have to. They are not in power so it is irrelevant. If they ever get into power again the economic conditions might be completely different to the ones we are currently experiencing and only when an election is due do any political parties need to roll out their policies. Policies that everyone of them ignore once in power I might add.”

“I have to agree with Ghostwriter69. Social Services removed the foster children from their UKIP voting foster parents. The social workers could have voted EDL for all we know! As for Labour's sole objective being a hatred of other political groups - all political parties are the same; They all gripe and groan about each other. They all try to ridicule and berrate each other but how quickly they jump into bed with each other for the chance of a 'coalition'. As Emma Goldman stated:

'If politics changed anything, they would make it illegal.'”

“I would never get involved or comment on these sort of issues , but I'm in total agreement with flossyflathat . since when has political beliefs been the handle that can change a childs happiness ,
Shame on the social workers involved .”

“mutton are you Carl Minns in disguise? ....”

“Redwas

"since when has political beliefs been the handle that can change a childs happiness ,"

What if a family stepped forward to foster who belonged to the BNP or the Klu Klux Klan or Al Qadea?”

“g69,

I`m sure that when new foster carers apply to the social services they are vetted and, if they belong to one of the parties you mentioned, they could possibly be turned down.
However the couple in Rotherham have been fostering children for a number of years and the children in question had been with the couple for 7 months. Social services have admitted that the children were settled and happy so where is the problem?

Politics, if not extreme should not come into it as long as the children are safe and happy. I must say though that I wouldn`t be a social worker for all the tea in China. They are damned if they do and damned if they don`t.”

“flossyflathat

You have just put into words what I was really trying to say , as a result I agree with you 100% .

bt13jaz ,
Carl Minns ,,,,,,,,,,,,,, NA , just someone that enjoys reading the comments and putting in my monies worth , clearly your an unsociable self centered person , who's opinion is the only one that counts . as I have only recently started to post you will be very pleased to know that you have put me off for life , as a matter of interest I'm well into my seventies .”

“flossy - agreed but is that what Redwas said? What if they joined one of these groups after they were accepted as foster parents? There has to be a line drawn somewhere and it's an individual opinion as to where the line is.”

“Redwas

"bt13jaz ,
Carl Minns ,,,,,,,,,,,,,, NA , just someone that enjoys reading the comments and putting in my monies worth "

Are you posting as mutton8 (who is about your declared age) as well as Redwas because bt13jz's question about Carl Minns was addressed to mutton8 not Redwas. Perhaps you forgot who you were logged in as when you pressed 'submit'?”

“Well spotted g69,
It seems the silver surfer is not up to speed when it comes to multiple posting personalities :)”

“Well said Guy, you are correct (as always). Now get back in your box, you're for emergencies only ;)”

“Ghostwriter69

Sorry , I miss read the Carl Minns comment ,just so annoyed at an other comment that was made on another thread by bt13jaz , and NO I'm not mutton8 .”

“Redwas

She made one very mild comment. If that causes you to take your bat and ball and cricket pads home then you'll never cope on here. And you were doing so well too.”

“Who is Carl Minns - certainly not me!
It is easy to blame the social workers that were involved and excuse their employers. It was reported that they visited the foster parents without notice and took the kids away. They must have been acting on instructions and how did they know to what political party they belonged? I'll bet you cannot find a council other than Rotherham which allows political party membership to be a requirement for adoption or fostering.
Of course EM would call for an investigation, he has to show that the party has nothing to do with it, in any case he calls for an investigation or an enquiry on almost a daily basis.
To say that an Opposition does not need to have any policies is ridiculous. It is only too easy to criticise others when you are not able to show what you can do yourself. The only policies they do have involve spend,spend as we have found from the last 13 years, which is why they can't come up with anything else.
gw69 - I would be delghted if you would keep the promise you made to yourself not to respond to my posts and from what I have read I'm not the only one.”

“Ghostwriter69

If someone has something to say about forum members that's fine , but when you ask them to explain their comment and they ignore your question , well that says it all really .

Furthermore I ain't run home with my bat, ball and cricket pads , just my dummy Ha ha”

“guycady

Wrong to agree , I'm not a double contender , ( mutton 8 ) just redwas .”

“mutton8

"I would be delghted if you would keep the promise you made to yourself not to respond to my posts ""

Yes I bet you would. I challenge posts that don't make sense and the posters who put them on don't like that - tough. Oh and you are responding to my comment. Are you trying to remove my right to reply?

And it isn't ridiculous to say that the opposition doesn't have to have policies. They are not in power. Does that make sense to you? And what do you mean that EM "he has to show that the party has nothing to do with it". Are you suggesting that he secretly went to see the social workers and told them to remove the kids?”

“FAO REDWAS only (boring to others)

To keep this on thread i will answer on each thread as questioned...

sorry I didn't reply sooner but I have been at work and just started to relax. ... as you have retired no doubt you have already had an afternoon nap and mused over countdown ...

"you have put me off for life , as a matter of interest I'm well into my seventies " - not put you off for long then ;) - however If you are millionaire and in your seventies I might be interested... please see previous threads

I think you will find I am not self centred and my opinion counts for nothing, however I come on the forum to wind down after a stressful day at work. Don't like me don't read my posts - simples.”

“Ha, you come on to wind down, I come on to wind up!!!!!!!!!!!!!! You couldn't write it!!!!”

“mutton8

http://tinyurl.com/cxxpklf

there you are! Labour polices 2012. Happy now? Just because YOU don't know about them doesn't mean that they don't exist.”

“Mutton8,

Although social workers are employed by the council, councillors do not get involved in the day to day decisions. They have team leaders and managers that have to make sometimes difficult decisions regarding the whole spectrum of vunerable people.
From what I`ve read about this case, the social services were tipped off about the couples involvment with UKIP although I can`t think why this would be deemed important enough to remove the children.
It is too easy to demonise social services as we only hear about the cases that go wrong. I know that the majority of the work they do is so worthwhile but at the same time the council`s involved are often dragged into the debate after the event.

As I said earlier, they are damned if they do and damned if they don`t.”

“flossy

We are wasting our time. Does that remind you of another poster who we were unable to apply logic to?

Mutton has got it in for people on benefits, the Labour party, immigrants and staff who live in sheltered accommodation to look after the residents (so far, I'm sure there is more) and nothing we can say will alter that.”

“gw69 -I would remind you that it was you who said you had promised yourself to ignore my posts. But I am not going to spend time in a slanging match with you. If you bring up something of substance about a post's subject, rather than nit-picking and being insulting,I will answer it.
On this matter, the fact remains that someone, and we shall probably never know who, has used social workers to upset the foster parents concerned and the children in their care purely to blacken UKIP. As I have elsewhere we would be a lot better off managing the country's affairs without the divisions caused by them.”

“mutton8

I said that I had ignored by initial promise to myself not to answer your posts.

Your second sentence was "Never mind producing policies that would benefit the country" so how is me giving you a link to their 2012 policies 'nitpicking'?

Now you write "On this matter, the fact remains that someone, and we shall probably never know who"

So why are you blaming Labour?

" As I have elsewhere we would be a lot better off managing the country's affairs without the divisions caused by them."

Who is 'them'? Social workers? Labour? Benefit claimers? Immigrants? People who manage sheltered accommodation? Or is asking you this question also 'nitpicking'?”