“Yes, yes and yes.”

“they should be made to pay every pennie they stole and within a reasonable time eg if they stole 2000 pounds divide that by 2 years”

“Wozza,
Not all crime is about stealing money. What about assaults and murders. How would you calculate an amount then and who do you pay it to?”

“Are you suggesting that anyone convicted of any crime should have this tax imposed on them for the rest of their life? No matter what age or severity of crime?

At the moment we have different punishments relating to how severe the crime is, whether the person pleads guilty or not and how often they've offended. You seem to be suggesting that EVERYONE should have a punishment that lasts a lifetime whether they be a young first time offender, a career criminal or a serial rapist.

I can imagine a situation where a young person who has committed one minor crime could end up thinking "Well if I'm going to be paying for this forever, what's the point in trying to improve my life?"”

“These sorts of suggestions are typical of the general public who think that they can run the country better than the government, but never stop to think their suggestions through.”

“some of would do a miles better job than what we have got running our country at the moment ,i keep forgetting i have to go to extremes to explain once self , here 1 goes ,,
any 1 who murders some 1 should be executed,
some 1 who steals should be made to pay every penny back ,
some 1 who rapes should be used for experiments,
our laws need to be updated we are still using laws from the 1700 ,
er i think i have covered most things im sure the forum cops will point any thing i have missed ????????????????????????”

“wozza

Can you give some examples of laws that date back to the "1700" please?”

“wozza - just to clarify, my post was in answer to the original post, not yours.”

“""wozza

Can you give some examples of laws that date back to the "1700" please?"

Apart from talking on a mobile phone whilst driving a stagecoach (and I don't mean bus) of course.”

“No. Three strikes, and you're hanged. That'd be my rule.”

“wozza1968, to clarify we are still using and adapting laws that date back to 1267 see link to all the laws still in use from 1700 - 1800 you can use the advanced search option to search from 1267 - 2012. You may be surprised at how many laws are still in use predating 1700.

http://tinyurl.com/6uwuy3s

Imagine_that, I would suggest you use a damp flannel to wipe the egg off your face;-)”

“by Imagine_that

Saturday, March 03 2012, 8:54AM
.
"These sorts of suggestions are typical of the general public who think that they can run the country better than the government, but never stop to think their suggestions through."

A rather starnge answer given that these forums exist to expand and explore such suggestions. It was posed as a question.

The criminal justice system costs the country billions every year. Let's say someone has a drink and decides to go and confront an ex partner. They cannot get in to the ex's council owned flat and so kick out at a glass re-inforced panel on a stairwell in frustartion. The panel breaks. The person is witnessed. A criminal damage case is investigated.

Costs: Council to assess and repair the damage. Police to investigate and assemble a file for the CPS. CPS to bring to court with their legal representation. Suspect (on legal aid) has legal representation. Cost of magistrate and supply of staffed courtroom. I would estimate the cost to the taxpayer runs into many thousands of pounds. Cost to the guilty party.. ..£80 fine maybe.
Why shouldn't this person spend a long time paying for the cost of their action? Why should we all pay for it?
I'm certainly not stating that any payback by criminals should off-set any sentencing. I'm merely putting the idea forward that we should all take responsibilty for our actions. Why shouldn't someone who has served a prison sentence pay for their upkeep once released?”

“by Imagine_that

Saturday, March 03 2012, 8:54AM
.
"These sorts of suggestions are typical of the general public who think that they can run the country better than the government, but never stop to think their suggestions through."

A rather starnge answer given that these forums exist to expand and explore such suggestions. It was posed as a question.

The criminal justice system costs the country billions every year. Let's say someone has a drink and decides to go and confront an ex partner. They cannot get in to the ex's council owned flat and so kick out at a glass re-inforced panel on a stairwell in frustartion. The panel breaks. The person is witnessed. A criminal damage case is investigated.

Costs: Council to assess and repair the damage. Police to investigate and assemble a file for the CPS. CPS to bring to court with their legal representation. Suspect (on legal aid) has legal representation. Cost of magistrate and supply of staffed courtroom. I would estimate the cost to the taxpayer runs into many thousands of pounds. Cost to the guilty party.. ..£80 fine maybe.
Why shouldn't this person spend a long time paying for the cost of their action? Why should we all pay for it?
I'm certainly not stating that any payback by criminals should off-set any sentencing. I'm merely putting the idea forward that we should all take responsibilty for our actions. Why shouldn't someone who has served a prison sentence pay for their upkeep once released?”

“Just to add... ...this would only be for those found guilty not merely arrested.

Look at it this way... ...Throughout my life, due to the way I choose to live that life I generate waste. That waste must be dealt with in some way. I pay my local authority via local taxation to deal with my waste for me. Why should criminals be any different in paying for their actions in life?”

“CT007

Priceless! I must have really upset you on the news item about B&K if you come in on wozza's side! ; }}

However, you might try absorbing what I actually wrote before jumping in and trying to get your size 7 in. I asked him to give me some examples to check if he actually knew what he was writing about. Now can YOU show me where in my post I wrote that we were NOT still using old laws?

And should we really be getting rid of them, as he suggests?

Shall I pass you the damp flannel? Your need is a LOT greater than mine. LOL.”

“CT007

Still laughing at you.”

“loser lol”

“Wozza

You really ought to name the poster that you address your thuggish remarks to. Anyway seeing as you are online, please give some examples of these 1700 laws that you want to abolish.

And don't forget, this is part of your policy statement and will be questioned during your election campaign. If you can't answer them the 'loser' will be you”

“wozza

From an earlier post

"i think i have covered most things im sure the forum cops will point any thing i have missed ????????????????????????""

How on earth are the 'sensible posters' supposed to know what's going on in your head and if you have forgotten to write it all down on here? I'm sure there is plenty of room in there for a couple of us to get in and look around ... but we would need to be invited first.

Anyway, I'd consider voting for you. You are bound to get 6/10 if you are asked what your name is.”

“Imagine_that, two posts I must have struck a nerve again?”

“CT007

Finished with the damp cloth yet?”

“CT007

As you are on here, perhaps you could show me where I stated that we are NOT using old laws?”

“CT007

Three posts now, and I'm still laughing.

And as for striking a nerve, a million posts from me would never be a match to you posting on wozza's side. Pity your old mate Jack_Higgins isn't posting at the moment - well under that name anyway - so that he can cover your back.”

“CT007

And just to round my posts up to 4,

"Imagine_that, two posts I must have struck a nerve again?"

That is a statement, not a question, so why have you ended it with a question mark?
(That last sentence WAS a question by the way. Notice the difference? Ooops, another question.)

Also 'two posts' and 'I must ...' are actually two sentences so there ought to be a full stop after the word 'posts'.”

“amt555, I can see no reason why we should not tax/charge criminals in this manner until the point that the costs of court and prison are paid back. This proposal with some refinements sounds perfect for a government e-potion, have you considered starting one?

You also quite right in your comments about forums like this been an open area to expand and explore new ideas after all did not all politicians started out as members of the general public who thought that they could do a better job than the government;-)”

“Apologies that should read a government e-petition, I suspect that the government is not partaking in witchcraft and producing e-potions just yet although you never know lol:-)”

“Imagine_that, yup I defiantly struck a nerve lol;-)”

“CT007

Well you certainly haven't struck an answer to where about on my comment to wozza I stated that we DON'T use 1700 laws!

And you haven't returned my damp cloth either. You must have an awful lot of egg on your face if you are still using it. And it was perfectly clean when I lent it to you because I didn't need it.

But if you want to pretend that you have struck a nerve (again, expand on your quaint logic) PLEASE continue to do so and post to me as many times as you like on the subject because I am enjoying this egg-based conversation and would hate it to end here.”

“Correct me if I`m wrong but don`t some criminals have their assets siezed and sold on?”

“flossy

You are clever!

"Under the Proceeds of Crime Act, criminals can have their illegal earnings and possessions taken away even if they are not convicted of the crimes they have committed.

It's up to the criminal themselves to prove they've acquired the cash legitimately. The money will be ploughed back into further asset recovery work to help yet more cash be seized."

In the words of CT007 'follow link to'
http://tinyurl.com/7fs6tuf

"An account has been opened by Hertfordshire Police on the internet auction site eBay to sell off criminals' assets.
Under the Proceeds of Crime Act, offenders can be deprived of any financial benefit of their crimes.
Police officers use confiscation orders to seize high-value items in order to repay any money made.
Money generated is used to compensate victims and help fund crime-fighting initiatives in the county"

http://tinyurl.com/6uj6cvq”

“ct007

I have changed my photo to one of eggs with faces, rather than faces with eggs on but this is probably what you look like at the moment, without the smile!

http://tinyurl.com/784nk22”

“Thank you Imagine_that, it has been mentioned on this forum although somewhat sarcastically lol.
I think people tend to think that life (and crime) is all black and white but there are an awful lot of grey area`s.
Wozza wants all murderers executed. Would that include the wife who, after years of physical and emotional abuse eventually snaps and kills the husband?
As for us using laws from the 1700`s, yes we probably are but I don`t think you would get hanged for stealing a loaf or deported for stealing a handkerchief anymore.
It would be interesting to see if all the people that are calling for tougher sentences have lead completely blameless lives.
Come on now, own up haven`t any of you ever done anything even slightly dishonest?”

“flossy

It would be great, when wozza makes statements/claims that he could (or at least try to) back them up.

I don't suppose he even knows what he means by 'laws'. I should imagine that (see what I did there?) that murder was against the law even before 1700 but of course the punishments have changed dramatically. Criminal activities have similar definitions but the Acts that govern how they are to be dealt with have changed over the years.

It's not like I have asked him to provide a precis of 'Banks', I just want a couple of examples.”

“CT007

I wrote on Sunday, March 04 2012 at 8:27AM

"CT007
Priceless! I must have really upset you on the news item about B&K if you come in on wozza's side! ; }}"

Then you wrote on Sunday, March 04 2012, 2:48PM (six and a half hours later)

"Imagine_that, two posts I must have struck a nerve again?"

And again on Sunday, March 04 2012, 3:29PM (half an hour later)

"Imagine_that, yup I defiantly struck a nerve lol;-)"

Now do you see what you have done there? Copied my original comment - twice. Now I know that imitation is the sincerest form of flattery, but in future why not try thinking of something original. Even if it's only your trademark "follow the link to ..."

And ironically, the first appearance of this expression (flattery, not follow the link to) appeared in 1708. Spooky eh?”

“so u think its ok for people to murder ,rob , and do anything illegal because of a grey area ,,,,,i dont think this grey area would be there if it was u lot that the crime was against ??????????? just unbelievable ,,,,its do gooders like u that make all these criminals get away with there crimes??????? ...im some wot entranced by people like u that think its ok to kill some 1 or to take some 1s personal stuff that they have worked for and u think it might be a grey area lol ,,, u would make lovely judges,,,there out of date and out of touch with reality????????????????????? losers defo”

“wozza

That last post of yours takes the prize for the most illegible, illogical and idiotic one you have ever made. Congratulations! That takes some doing.

I can't see anywhere on the forum where anyone has said it's OK to murder anyone. And as you are using plurals 'lovely judges', 'losers' - you MUST be talking to more than one person.

The discussion isn't about letting criminals off, it's about taxing them on top of whatever punishments they are given by the courts. Duhhhhh”

“Wozza,
Were you born daft or did you have to practice hard?
Don`t you understand "grey area`s"?
Is a child that steals sweets the same as a violent thug that burgles a house and beats up an old lady? Ofcourse not. You wouldn`t treat them the same would you, so why expect a child to carry on paying for his `crime` for the rest of his life?
We already have different levels of murder, Murder, Manslaughter, Self Defence, to name some.
If a man hits another man during an arguement and the second then falls and fractures his skull on the kerb and dies, is that the same as some one who hunts down prey and muders them for kicks? I think not.
You really should read the forum properly and at least try to understand what has been written before you charge in throwing insults around. That`s apart from the fact that this forum is about taxing criminals and not another excuse for you to start a rant about how corrupt you think our government is and that you are convinced that you can do a better job.”

“ok dum and dummer”

“And that means?”

“I almost thought we'd got back on topic then!

Just to add - I work within the criminal justice system and see the costs of the whole complex machine structured in a way that see's the persistent offenders (a very small minority) cost a very large propotion of the total bill.
I'm actually in favour of a move away from incarceration in many circumstances and a shift towards the emphasis of punishment on 'payback' to victims and general society. Prison is an outdated and very expensive (and revengful) option for minor offenders and should be reserved for more serious offences where the offender is a real danger to the community or individual.”

“amt555

Don't agree about prison. At least when these 'minor' offenders are locked up they give the community that they are preying on a break from their activities for a while. And they have to be very persistent to actually get sent to prison.

And like you, I have experience of working in the system.

Maybe a start would be to make anyone found guilty repay their legal aid ... that might focus their minds when they plead.”

“wozza

wozza1968

"ok dum and dummer"

'dum' isn't a word, nor is 'dummer'

Now how dumb does that make you look?”

“na i prefer dum and dummer for u 2 wilfs”

“Wozza

I think dum and dummer sums it up

Must be a slow news week and they're bored

So they're thinking "Mmm, what can I do ? I know, we'll have a go at wozza"”

“iiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiii lol i got broad sholders though”

“pippa1951

BUTT OUT granny.”

“wozza

""na i prefer dum and dummer"

Which aren't words so are meaningless. I wonder why pippa_mia hasn't picked up on that? She would be down on any other poster like a ton of bricks.

"iiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiii lol i got broad sholders though"

From your photo it looks like your shoulders aren't the only broad part of your anatomy. lol.”

“Imagine_that,
My oh my, it`s not that long ago we were the `clever one`s` and suddenly we`re dum and dummer. Whatever are we to do?”

“Well it's pretty bad flossy when wozza thinks that we are 'dum'. Or is it? As the word doesn't exist, in his mind it might be a misspelt compliment.”

“at least u can see my shoulders ........why dont we have a look at your 2 old girls or are u to ashamed to show wot u really look like????????????????????????????????????????”

“Wozza,
You seem obsessed with the fact that none of us use a photo of ourselves on this forum. Doesn`t that tell you something? There`s only you showing yourself.
It doesn`t mean we are ashamed or frightened just that we ALL prefer anonymity. Even your pet lap dog Cara_Pippa_ wotsit doesn`t show a true likeness of herself.”

“wozza

"at least u can see my shoulders " Can we? I can see a big moon face and the start of what looks like a beer belly (you probably have builders b*m too) but I'll have to take your word about the shoulders.

Well I have used 'Wozza the Walrus' as a photo and the one I have at the moment looks spookily like you too.

Tell you what, when Pippa_Mia_1951 puts hers on I promise that flossy and I will too. Though maybe flossy is already using hers.”

“lol”

“Imagine_that,
Ofcourse I`m using my own face on here........who else could it possibly be? lol”

“Imagine_that

"Tell you what, when Pippa_Mia_1951 puts hers on I promise that flossy and I will too"

Well go on then, put your money where your mouth is and get your fizzog posted, because I'm using my own photo :)”

“lol ur just cowards the lot of ya ,,all u can do is call people and not back up wot u say ,i do hope u come and see me face to face it would be a real pleasure for me to see wot im talking 2 ??????????????????????????”

“pippa_wotsit

"Well go on then, put your money where your mouth is and get your fizzog posted, because I'm using my own photo :)"

Well I certainly have never liked that picture (something about the mouth is creepy) and Apollo_Mouse did say it was 'sinister' when you first started to use it so I won't argue that it isn't you, but it certainly isn't you NOW is it?”

“wozza1968

"lol ur just cowards the lot of ya ,,all u can do is call people and not back up wot u say ,i do hope u come and see me face to face it would be a real pleasure for me to see wot im talking 2 ??????????????????????????"


lol”

“and u think your clever wow ?? its a shame when people hide like cowards and aint grown up enough to speak there minds ,,as from now i sharnt speak to u 2 old ladies as well as mr mouse ,,ur just not grown up enought ?????????????????”

“wozza

"aint grown up enough to speak there minds"

I was going to reply 'make your mind up', but of course you don't have one do you? So how to say this?

Before you were complaining that we were speaking our minds and you didn't like it because we ought to use our photos when we tell you what we think about you.

Now you are saying exactly the opposite and that we 'aint grown up enough' to speak our minds. What exact thoughts do you think we are hiding from you?

If the '2 old ladies' in question are pippa_mia and cara_1951, I'm sure that 'they' will be devastated to hear that you are not going to talk to 'them' again. If it is flossy and me, all I can say is, "Promise?"

lol.”

“Sometimes I think I`m living in a parallel universe. Somewhere where things are not quite what they seem.
I`m sure I`ve been called clever before but maybe I`m wrong because suddenly I`m dum or dummer.
I have a feeling that I`ve spent the last few months explaining to someone called Wozza that his ranting rambles are just that....rambles.
Maybe I`m mistaken because now I`ve been accused of NOT speaking my mind and NOT backing up my opinions.
Maybe it was all a dream....”

“flossy

A dream? Don't you mean a nightmare?”

“flossy

Just thought - A_M will be devastated when he logs on and finds out that wozza is going to stop replying to him. Before he even started too!”

“lol”

“Imagine_that
Altho' you don't come across as a particularly nice human being, I would have credited you as a person with some integrity

"Tell you what, when Pippa_Mia_1951 puts hers on I promise that flossy and I will too"

So, just because you don't like my photo, that's a valid enough reason for not keeping a promise, is it ? Shame on you !!!

OR could it be that your own pic would show you to be as UGLY on the outside as you are on the inside ?

PS As for your opinion or that of A_M, an international cosmetic company used thought differently and used it for a highly successful sales promotion”

“lol”

“Lost one temper if found please return to Imagine_that....lol;-)”

“Pippa_wotsit

And of course you, on the other hand, come across as all sweetness and light.

Especially with your well known and never to be forgotten comments such as BUTT OUT and 'nit picking saddos'.

Even YOU, posting as your (much younger) alter ego, cara_(my brother is a psychologist)_mia admitted "Nit picking saddos was an unfortunate choice of phrase,because clearly everybody was trying to explain to him"

I assumed when wozza demanded our photos so that he could see what we looked like that he meant a RECENT one - not an airbrushed one taken at least 50 years ago. So obviously my challenge to you was to use a recent one too.

Still waiting for that...

PS No doubt the 'international cosmetic company' is now bankrupt? I can't imagine any woman wanting to look like that. Even in the days of rationing when women were happy with just about anything ;-C”

“lol”

“Also lost maturity again if found please return to Imagine_that...lol;-)”

“Ah CT007. Glad you are back. Have you finished with that damp cloth yet? The one that I lent you to wipe the egg off your face when you (wrongly) accused me of stating that no laws went back to 1700.

Funny how quiet you went after that.

lol”

“Hope you haven't 'lost' the cloth by the way!”

“CT007

follow the link to

http://tinyurl.com/6w95cyh

and

http://tinyurl.com/75cowke”

“Why not try Dr Imagine_that's amazing new elixir guaranteed to turn any poster away from the topic of any debate, perfect if you've lost the argument or struggle to accept new ideas beyond the concept of your own understanding...lol;-)”

“Imagine_that

If that's the best you can come up with, my "well known and never to be forgotten comments such as BUTT OUT and 'nit picking saddos" you really are scraping the bottom of the barrel

Why would you assume the photo was taken 50 years ago ? That's just being silly ! As for you thinking the picture has been airbrushed, you flatter me. Thank you :)

I assume that you assumed that Wozza meant recent pictures is a way of welching on your promise. A promise is a PROMISE

Your last paragraph was to be expected, but alas, they are still going strong :)

CT007

You've noticed too how Imagine_that gets really, really rattled and comes out with the most infantile rants

Imagine_that

Come on now, let's see what you look like...you PROMISED XD”

“And before pippa_mia_wotsit thinks she has found a kindred spirit in CT007, here are some of his responses to her beloved wozza on his forum about paying MPs minimum wages:

by CT007
Saturday, October 29 2011, 11:39PM
"Semi literacy is one aspect of this none-sense but we must not lose sight of wazza1968's complete lack of any understanding of how Britain functions as democratic socio-capitalist state. This to me is quite fascinating and exciting opportunity to gain insight into this section of society as a hole, (I suspect that wazza1968 is not unique in the aforementioned respect)."

*** Did he mean 'society as a whole' rather than 'society as a hole' I wonder? ***

by CT007
Sunday, September 25 2011, 4:02PM
"What a silly argument regarding the, "facts", touted by the author of this nonsense please see the attached link to the UK parliament allowances by MP;

http://tinyurl.com/myplcp

Unfortunately I cannot find most of the things quoted as, "facts", but please check the list and when you find the allowance for free Sky TV let me know and we can start a whole new expense scandal."

by CT007
Sunday, September 25 2011, 4:07PM
"Just doing some research and found some more, "facts", did you know;
Earthquakes can be prevented by employing the use of sheep's bladders!
&
Someone suspected of been a witch can be found be determining if they weight the same as a duck!
LOL.....It true I have the information on good authority form a man called Monty Python"”

“pippa_wotsit

"Why would you assume the photo was taken 50 years ago ? That's just being silly ! As for you thinking the picture has been airbrushed, you flatter me. Thank you :)"

You are weird. How is saying that a really sinister photo of you taken about 50 years ago must be airbrushed a compliment? But looking at you, you probably haven't had many (compliments) to judge them by.

Sorry that I can't go back as far as you but I'll dig out a photo of me taken around the same time and scan it into the computer. I'll be quite a bit younger than you though and it won't help wozza recognise me!”

“by CT007

"Why not try Dr Imagine_that's amazing new elixir guaranteed to turn any poster away from the topic of any debate, perfect if you've lost the argument or struggle to accept new ideas beyond the concept of your own understanding...lol;-)"

Well you must have been drinking a lot of it because I'm still waiting for you to show me where on my post asking wozza what laws go back to 1700 I said that there weren't any.

If the above post of yours isn't turning posters away from the topic (1700 laws) or an example of a lost argument (1700 laws), I don't know what is. Great example! I'll make my fortune.

You and pippa_cara are almost perfect for each other. Pity you don't worship wozza but maybe she doesn't like torturing animals. Though looking at that mouth ...”

“Join the Imagine_that fan club activities include;

• Hippy style counselling sessions focused on coping with loss.
• Lambasting the local fool.
• Been thoroughly horrible.
• Boot camp focusing on reversed anger management, (how to avoid controlling your anger).
• Demonstrating your inability to cope with simple facts.
• Debate asking is Argumentalism a hobby, religion or psychological condition?
• Taoist workshop on coping and living with Argumentalism.
• Cheese making and pottery for the over 60's.

Legal Stuff: Please note that by joining this fan club you may wave your rights to independent thought and that you're sole will default to become the property of HDM for all eternity.
You must be older than Imagine_that to join this means you must have been born prior the Eocene period of the Paleogene, ergo dinosaurs and early mammals may apply.”

“Can fish default?”

“CT007

Imagine_that will pick up on your spelling mistakes to avoid all your valid points. That's what he/she is good at

And the promised picture will no doubt be a baby pic

So very predictable”

“pippa_wotsit

Going about as far back photograph wise (to the year it was taken) I am the one on the front row in the green dress. Hope that helps.”

“Imagine_that, I am starting a new tanning seminar on how to corect simple tpyos of other potters when you have no hummus repose to reply with and/or have lot the regiment and you anger is bolting over.

I constructed the above sentence with a series of typos for you correct have fun I know you enjoy it. Have you considered that you may be suffering with Grammar Obsessive Disorder, (GOD), if untreated this could lead to a God complex?”

“CT007

I am really glad that you were brave enough to come back on here after making yourself look so foolish with your 'egg on face' comment. And, as a bonus, you have a new friend in pippa_mia. Be gentle with her; she hasn't had a friend on here before. Apart from her imaginary one of course.

I am sure in time you will come to love wozza as much as she does. He can be your 'pet' project.

And once my elixir wears off, and you can get back onto the topic of this debate - perhaps you can remember that it is 1700 laws and where I said that they are not in use.

lol.”

“CT007

"Have you considered that you may be suffering with Grammar Obsessive Disorder, (GOD), if untreated this could lead to a God complex?"

And have you considered that you STILL haven't got back to me about whereabouts in my post I said that we are NOT still using 1700 laws and have you also considered that you have STILL not returned my damp towel?

At this rate I will be sending a thunderbolt to smite you - be warned.

lol.”

“pippa1951


"CT007

Imagine_that will pick up on your spelling mistakes to avoid all your valid points. That's what he/she is good at

Ahahhhh - CT007's 'point' was an attack on wozza.

So attacking wozza is 'valid' is it?”

“Found sense of reality engraved with the initials, "I.T.", could the own please collect at the lost and found counter?”

“pippa_1951

"That's what he/she is good at"

So she doesn't know what sex I am now, yet she wrote only a couple of weeks ago


"by pippa1951

Monday, February 27 2012, 2:11PM

greengrassuk

Imagine_that is a woman, W O M A N"



Must be her age.

lol”

“Imagine_that
"And, as a bonus, you have a new friend in pippa_mia"

Correct me if I'm wrong but I'm sure most people (apart from yourself of course) don't come on these forums to make friends, but to while away some time whilst waiting for the kettle to boil or a visitor to turn up. So I sympathise with you

Your picture is very nice. Is that the last time you were in the company of real people ? But I was nearly right. I knew it wouldn't be of much use. Maybe you really are UGLY in which case I sympathise once again

CT007

Loved your post, but you don't have to be my friend unless you really want to be lol XD”

“Massage form the CT007 answering service: Unfortunately CT007 has gone to the pub as such will not be answering any questions for the remainder of the afternoon.”

“pippa_wotsit
"CT007
Imagine_that will pick up on your spelling mistakes to avoid all your valid points. That's what he/she is good at"


From pippa_1951 to FabianFarquhr on Tuesday, January 24 2012, 3:32PM

"Fabian

Do you mean Farquar ?"

And on the SAME story

by pippa1951 on Tuesday, January 24 2012, 10:42AM

"Jez789

Shouldn't that be Ellerker Capital E ?"”

“Imagine_that

Completely taken out of context as per usual.

You correct any "misdemeanour" when you have no comeback otherwise you'd have corrected Flossy's misuse of the apostrophe in
"grey area's" and "clever one'"s, oh and let's not overlook her "arguement" shall we ?”

“by pippa1951

"Imagine_that

Completely taken out of context as per usual. "

well it would do because it contradicts you.

Now can I go back to my other photo please?”

“CT007


"Massage form the CT007 answering service: Unfortunately CT007 has gone to the pub as such will not be answering any questions for the remainder of the afternoon."

when the going gets tuff, CT007 goes to the pub. Pity he didn't ask you to join him pippa. He can't be impressed by your photo any more than the rest of us are. But at least he left you a 'massage' pippa.

lol”

“pippa1951

"Correct me if I'm wrong but I'm sure most people (apart from yourself of course) don't come on these forums to make friends"

So as you are commenting too why do you come then? To show your superiority to people and correct their spellings of their names, their capitalisation and their percentage calculations?

Or to stalk me? You really can't stop following me around can you? At least 90% of your posts must start with 'Imagine_that'. Though I am sure, with your grasp of calculating percentages, you will correct me if my calculation is wrong.”

“Pippa,
I have no problem with you correcting my mistakes but you have to play fair. You scream from the rooftops if Imagine_that, me or almost anyone else dares to mention Wozza`s appalling spelling and punctuation.
I also noticed that you didn`t pick up on CT007`s mistakes. If I were of a suspicious nature I would think you were deliberately picking on me and that wouldn`t be nice would it?”

“flossyflathat

I see the lapdog springs into action.....
"I also noticed that you didn`t pick up on CT007`s mistakes"

Err, I think I did, hence...
Imagine_that will pick up on your spelling mistakes to avoid all your valid points. That's what he/she is good at

Anyway, must fly, I have a kettle to boil”

“Flossy

pippa_mia wrote "Anyway, must fly, I have a kettle to boil" Exciting life eh?

When the going gets tuff pippa_mia heads for the kitchen. Yet she should stay out ... Don't they say "If you can't stand the heat etc."

For the record, and I'm sure my stalker is watching my every post

I pick up on people's errors, on the most part, when they have picked up on someone else's or if the story is an education one and they are anti-learning.

For example, going back to my old mate CT007 (who is doing all he can to avoid answering me about these 1700 laws) his dig was at pippa's darling wozza when he wrote that wozza was 'semi literate' and then in the same paragraph wrote 'society as a hole.'

Now if we had written that my stalker would have been down on us like a ton of bricks but somehow at the time she missed it and now she is complaining
that I pulled up CT007 on his h o m ophones when he was calling wozza semi literate.

So what can we conclude from this? Obviously she would rather support CT007's attack on wozza if it meant that she could have another dig at me.

Why does she keep stalking me I wonder? Why does she seem determined to find something to have a go at me about, even if it means stabbing wozza in the back. If she really thought that she was clever (obviously apart from calculating percentages) and was able to outsmart me, she wouldn't be so obsessive.

ps Would you buy a cosmetic item with that photo on the front??????????


lol”

“people should be answerable for they actions should they not,,,i along with millions of other people just dont go out and take stuff it is wrong and no grey areas thats just the do gooders way of messing up the system , u steal off me i want my stuff back simples ........
some people must be stupid to think its ok to kill or steal off other people ,,,,,,,yup dum and dummer they are ????????????????????”

“Wozza,
No one but no one said it was ok to commit a crime of any sort be it serious or petty. You said you wanted ALL muderers hanged. I just pointed out that sometimes it isn`t as clear cut as that. It doesn`t mean I don`t want them punished.
You really should learn to read the posts properly before you jump in hurling insults.

I`m still laughing at the irony of dum and dummer lol”

“Imagine_that,
I think she`s a sad, lonely, bitter, twisted old hag but that`s just my opinion of course.”

“flossy

Notice how wozza has missed everything out that has just been posted, even his protector pippa_mia standing up for CT007 calling him 'semi-literate'?”

“CT007

"Imagine_that your wrong"

Muphry's law in action again! lol.

You write that "your wrong" when it should actually be "you're wrong". Brilliant. Because 'you are' wrong. Get it????????????

I think it's also called shooting yourself in the foot or making an idiot of yourself or even finishing with egg on your face.

Which reminds me, have you finished with that damp cloth yet?

Oh, and if you want to lead a life free of me - stop coming onto these forums and addressing me personally. I don't need another stalker thanks - I already have one (or two if you count her split personality)”

“Imagine_that,
I think Wozza gets confused when there`s too much writing.”

“Why not, the new benefit rules say ones benefit patments can be reduced for not attending work related activities etc”

“CT007

You have confirmed everything I have always believed about the type of people who support vivisection.

Thank you.

ps Keep the damp cloth. You need it.”

“flossy

He also gets confused when there is too much reading. I wonder if he moves his lips when he reads?”

“CT007

Forgot to say - I am flattered that you felt the need to spend so long on a poem dedicated to me - even though you have made far too many grammatical errors.

I really must get under your skin. Result. ;-O

lol.”

“pippa_mia

I have just read wozza's post to Apollo_Mouse and have decided to follow his logic.

Don't talk to me again until you apologise. ",,,,,simple ?????????????????????"”

“Well despite attempts to engage in a lively and meaningful discussion on the subject, it appears the forum provided by the mail has a select 4 or 5 individuals who 'hijack' threads with petty and immature squabbles spilling over from previous threads. I won't add anymore to this thread as it is clearly far too much to expect anything above childish nit-picking at each other.”

“amt555

Your subject has been discussed, but there is only so much you can say on any subject.

I would also like you remind you that the 'petty and immature' squabbles started when pippa_1951 and CT007 came on here and attacked me. So it isn't really 4 or 5 individuals, it's 2.”

“Imagine_that

I would also like you remind you that the 'petty and immature' squabbles started when pippa_1951 and CT007 came on here and attacked me. So it isn't really 4 or 5 individuals, it's 2

Please Miss, it wasn't me it was the others lol”

“pippa_1951

What part of 'don't address me until you apologise' don't you understand?

And how do you know that amt555 is a 'Miss'?

Duhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh”

“how rude of u old ladie , try acting like a ladie not a fish wife”

“wozza

""how rude of u old ladie , try acting like a ladie not a fish wife"

pippa_1951 is one of your few friends on here. No need to talk to her like that!”

“i would never talk to her like that i have a thing called respect ,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,you should try it sometimes ???????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????”

“wozza

So you admit that calling someone 'old' and a 'fish wife' is disrespectful then?

Well guess what, YOU said it!”

“Tut tut Imagine_that, I`m surprised at you lol.”

“lol”

“flossy

I don't understand your comment, but wozza obviously thinks that you are having a dig at me.

lol.”

“Imagine_that,
Well when has Wozza ever understood a point made by anyone?
I was having a teeny tiny dig after you said you were at a loss to understand why Apollo_mouse and myself continue to address posts to Wozza and then you do the same thing on here.Lol.”

“flossy

I think you misunderstood what I was saying.

This forum was started by amt555 and if wozza comes in and makes comments, then he has as much right to an answer as anyone else. More so when he addresses his comments to one or all of us.

What I don't understand is why you and Apollo bother to answer him on his own forums when, by now, you know what sort of response you will get. Yes I did comment on the boxing one, but to you and Apollo at first and never to him about helping him set up a club. After a week I pointed out to him that he didn't have a venue, reinforcing what you had written.

If 'the sensible posters' ignored his forums, then who else would respond?

Of course the choice is entirely up to you both, but you know that he won't answer Apollo until he apologises and us because we are 'dum and dummer'”

“Imagine_that,
Then I apologise to you.
The irony of the situation seems lost on Wozza ( why am I surprised?) but if he actually used the forum properly he would realise that I agree with him on a lot of his points, just not the way he puts them across.”

“flossy

No need to apologise. As I say, it's up to you two. Maybe you are someone who can't resist a lost cause. Maybe you are an optimist and believe that one day he'll see the light.

You were trying to help him with the CRB check thing but he probably hasn't got a clue what one is, so became rude and insulting to cover up his ignorance.

Whatever, he isn't the sort of role model I'd want for my kids.”

“lol 2”

“anyways now the fun of dum and dummer has finished , i say if any little scrot robs off me then i want every pennie back, i mean why do the courts make sure they get there dosh so why should we be any different , theft is theft , murder is murder, no excuses at all , as we have seen of the mp's when they helped themselfs to our money only 2 went to prison ,,,,,,,,,,,, wot a laughable system we have , if that was me i would have been sent down for years . but not them ????”

“wozza

"if that was me i would have been sent down for years "

I'll drink to that.

lol.”

“Imagine_that,
Does the above post mean we are no longer dum and dummer do you think? I do think I prefered it when we were `the clever posters`.
Anyway the rest of it is totally incomprehensible whether we`re dum or clever.”

“Hee hee I meant the one above the one above lol.”

“i rest my case pmsl”

“flossy

Sometimes I wonder if wozza drinks before posting on here and the alcohol goes straight to his head. But then of course, it (the alcohol) would never find it (his head)

wozza

"i rest my case pmsl"

wozza, you can't keep up with the jokes so don't even try. It just makes you look even more 'dum' - if that is possible.”

“i dont drink”

“wozza1968

"i dont drink"

Then you have no excuse left.”

“wot u dont drink as well ?????????????????????????????????????/ wierd that aint it , lol”

“wozza

Oh, hadn't you realised after all this time on here? When people start a post addressed to someone else (something that you never do because we are all mindreaders after all) and then put down some words in quotes (perhaps you know them better as direct speech marks?), then they are quoting something that the poster they are addressing has written and then the words after that are their reply.

Or in pippa_mia's case, she just copies and pastes everything.

Do you, in your wildest dreams, think that I would ever write 'i' for 'I' and 'dont' for 'don't' if it was my own words?”

“na i just do it because u dont like it ????????????????????????????? simples is it not .”

“wozza

Did your mother ever say to you "You are only showing yourself up."?

If not she should have done.

I assume you had a mother by the way.”

“Wozza,
The only " Simples" thing on here, is you.”

“at least my mother taught me respect shame your mother never showed yourself the same meaning ,,,,,,,,,,,,
aint we all simples then i no u are pmsl”

“wozza

You hardly showed respect to Apollo with those 2, removed by the forum police, homophobic posts.

You hardly show respect by calling people 'dum and dummer'

Maybe the following post is you showing respect

by wozza1968
Saturday, March 17 2012, 2:23PM
"how rude of u old ladie , try acting like a ladie not a fish wife"

No, that isn't respect either.


So if your mother taught you 'respect' then you have failed miserably.

But then, if you inherited your IQ from her - she was probably teaching you to belch and got the words confused.”

“hang on 1 minute ,,,,wot about mr mouse calling me a thief????
and your good selfs calling me fat ??????????
i see u wasnt brought up by a mother at all ????????????”

“wot about the attacks on my spelling ???????????
or using to many punctuations ,,,,,,,, WHO CARES
you need to look closer to home before u tell people wot to say and not say its upto them wot they do ,,,,it is not for a person like u or any other person to say this and that about no 1 ,,,,, at the end of the day if u dont like it tough”

“wozza

""wot about the attacks on my spelling ???????????
or using to many punctuations ,,,,,,,, WHO CARES "

Well obviously everyone who attacks your spelling and punctuation care.

"its upto them wot they do "

So it is OK to steal and murder then? I thought you were just complaining that it wasn't?

"at the end of the day if u dont like it tough"

If we don't like it - and we don't - we will carry on telling you, and if you don't like us telling you that we don't like it - tough.

"and your good selfs calling me fat ??????????"

Well I was brought up to be truthful, and you ARE fat.”

“lol hide away as usual no change there ,,,,,and again woz it not yourself who said there are grey areas geek,,, as i have said before as u well no murder is murder and theft is thieft no grey areas but u already no that ,,,,,,,,,,,,,,, coward”

“ps i would rather be fat than a coward ,,,,,,,,,,,,,,anyday”

“Actually Wozza, it was me who mentioned grey area`s not Imagine_that.
It`s no good trying to explain anything to you because nothing sinks in.”

“wozza

"i would rather be fat than a coward ,,,,,,,,,,,,,,anyday"


You are probably both (fat and a coward) because posting behind your own photo hardly makes you brave. You are still posting behind a keyboard behind your own photo.

You pride yourself on treating people with 'respect' then call me a 'geek' and a 'coward'. Again, you haven't a clue what you are talking about but boy are you getting annoyed.”

“poor Colin. I think most of the 'grey areas' are where his brain cells ought to be.”

“ok”

“P.S. I made a few typo's for you to correct have fun;-)”

“Well the former MP for Scunthorpe, Mr Morley forgot about his own mortgage, Chris Huhne forgot who drives the car on certain days, Jeffrey Archer forgets how many A levels, he never had so obviously dishonesty transcends ploitics, nah, non starter this one.”

“CToo7, me too, but at least we're honest about it, I'd trust you above the average politician.”

“CT007

Ah, so you are back then. How long exactly have you been compiling that list?

So now can you tell me where I put in my earlier post that none of our laws date back to 1700?

Oh and as for "..in the event that you are please defer to your usual activity of lambasting the local fool over the internet." Can you PLEASE also point me to any posts that I have made about food, local or otherwise? Good luck with your search. ;-P”

“CT007

I don't have a problem with you posting on here and trying to get a dig in - goodness knows I've fought off far worthier opponents than you and your 'follow the link to ... oh, Jack_Higgins I'm right aren't I?"

BUT can't you at least try and use something I have actually written?

I was wondering about this food thing. I'm not Dr Lecter you know!

Oh and if you are leading by example and have such an exciting life - how on earth do you find the time to compose whole songs to me and spend so long on making suggestions about what I can do with my life?

I MUST really get under your skin, but I won't stay as I've found something really nasty there.

Oh and well played adding that you have put in some typos for me. That should about cover your (not you're by the way) poor grammar. Pity Colin hadn't thought to add that to his first post!”

“See it get's quite nasty on here, like a good row lol”

“People who can't win an argument any other way always get nasty.

And all this because I don't agree with torturing animals.”

“No...It would just encourage scumbags to steal more to pay thier "Tax"...I'm a bit more old fashioned than the modern day politics that believes every crime can be calculated in ponds, shillings and pence.

PC, liberal, goody two shoes, sandal wearing, mung bean eating, human rights for criminals campaigners look away now.

Child abusers - Death by hanging

Rapists - Death by hanging.

Murderers (not including self defence) - Death by hanging

Burglery - amputation of one hand and branded "thief" on forehead

Theft - 20 years in 6 x 6 cell, bread and water, no exercise and branded theif on forehead

Assault with intent - 20 years in 6 x 6 cell, bread and water, no exercise

Fraud and deception - Assets and colaterall seized and transferred to victim(s) followed by 20 years in 6 x 6 cell, bread and water, no exercise

Anto social behaviour - 5 years in 6 x 6 cell, bread and water, no exercise

And for anyone who thinks these punishments are too hard, explain in your best reasoning how todays current punishments are working?....They aren't are they! Look at the idiot the other day who killed his two mates by driving twice the speed limit and losing control....6 months jail and banned for 18 months....pathetic.

The above deterants would see crime fall by 90% overnight....a lot more effective than 1p in the pound for scum that don't work anyway.”

“Embittered,
Aren`t these the sort of sentences that were given out in early Victorian times when the prisons were full to bursting point.
It wasn`t a deterrent then so why would it be now?”

“@Flossy. In the victorian times, the population of the country was a good few million less than it is now and the jails nowhere near as big. We have more socially acceptable crimes nowadays (sad but true) were the CPS are throwing criminals out of the arrest system as fast as the police bring them in because of costs.

My vehicle was vandalised by a drunken 15 year old girl for no reason other than "It was a laugh" She was arrested, admitted it and the CPS wrote me a letter saying that they were reluctant to prosecute her due to her young age which would spoil her chances of "getting on in life"

She was a known youth offender with multiple "misdamena's" and has since gone on to more petty crime and assault. Meanwhile I still have a £1000 outstanding loan it cost me to repair my vehicle. Do you think she would have done this if she knew she would lose a hand for criminal damage.

Might sound harsh but as you witness every day, "Crime Does Pay" and decent people like us suffer while picking up the bill. It's an action without consequence society out there and a tough line needs taking.

As far as not being a deterent back then. I think you would find that the re offending rate was way down on todays stats. Back then serious criminals were hung or put away for a very long time, so they had no or very little chance to re offend.

Last year, the re-offending rate was over 70%. That is a frightening stat. We live with the fact that for every scumbag who manages to make it through the system (forget the thousands that they let off due to lack of funding (My cousin is a police Sargeant and has stories that would make your blood boil) 7 out of 10 of these scumbags will come back and make someone else's life a misery.

Unnaceptable in this day and age. Fine, for everyone who lives within the law should have every right we earn. For the pieces of scum who decide they don't want to be part of society...make them pay and make them suffer, and let's face it...For the decent people, life would be so much better.”

“iiiiiiiiiiiii bring back hanging for starters,,,,,but there are a lot of grey areas as some 1 put it ,,,,pc brigade again ,,,,,why should i or any 1 else suffer because the so called clever people at the top tell us , its ok for jonny to reck things ,,,,,jonny dont do that again quick slap on the wrist and hay presto jonnys just killed some 1 ,,,our system like the so called clever people needs to be sorted ,,,,its stupid how all the 1s at the top that went to uni are all in a different world ????????????
i see that the courts get trhere money first and after that every 1 else has to go whistle ,
1 get a proper account of normal people on these cases , not people who has wasted years at uni ???????????”

“wozza

At the risk of repeating myself, the only grey areas are in your skull where brain cells are supposed to live.

"i see that the courts get trhere money first and after that every 1 else has to go whistle ,
1 get a proper account of normal people on these cases ,"

What courts are these and how do they get their money first? Courts are paid for out of taxes so any money they get goes back into the system. Are you saying that we should abolish them altogether?”

“no u silly billy ,,, as we have seen the courts fine the criminals and get there money first dont they ,,, then if lets say u got robbed and the not nice person ran off with a couple of hundred quid that u have worked so hard for,,,and then pc plod catches them for u but hay ho no dosh in said purse ,,,,wot happens next ,,,said crim goes to our system were mr judge says right 100 pounds court costs ,and then mrs silly billy they tell said crim ,,,errrr u do som com service ,,,,
so miss/mrs/ms were on our dear earth does your money come from ????????????????????
and now ur telling me our courts get paid twice ,,,,,,,,,,,,,, is that true ????????”

“Imagine_that;

Monday, March 26 2012, 4:14PM

"People who can't win an argument any other way always get nasty.

And all this because I don't agree with torturing animals."

And the pot calls the kettle black again, yes she's got a tongue like an electric eel and she likes the taste of a man's tonsils.”

“CT007

Been drinking again? Your post makes as much sense as all the others that have - ooops - vanished.

But as you are posting - where have I ever commented on local food?”

“wozza

No idea what your last post means. No change there then.”

“CT007

Once again, I have really got under your (not you're) skin haven't I?

Pity you haven't found the answer to my questions
1. Where did I tell wozza that there were no 1700 laws?
2. Where I have commented on local food?”

“Wozza,
As far as I`m aware theft of small amounts of money is punished with a fine and compensation. The compensation goes to the victim so they do get their money back.
Huge amounts of monies stolen are regained by selling the offenders assets, thereby repaying the victims once again.
Community service orders are usually given for offences of vandalism and damage to property.
Ofcourse you want petty thieves locked up for 20 years which costs the tax payer enormous amounts of money and no compensation for the victim.

On a another note, I notice your comment earlier on,

1 get a proper account of normal people on these cases , not people who has wasted years at uni ???????????"

Only you could think that a university education is a waste.”

“i do”

“flossy

Well a university education would certainly be a waste for wozza, and you know he can only see things from his own point of view.

He doesn't rate the whole of the medical profession because of the odd mistake made during surgery and he doesn't rate aircraft pilots because planes sometime crash. (Something that never happens to car and lorry drivers)

I wonder if he has ever visited the doctor or travelled abroad for any reason - a business conference perhaps?”

“CT007

"she's got a tongue like an electric eel and she likes the taste of a man's tonsils."

Oh you naughty person! Plagiarism AGAIN! What would Jack_Higgins say???????????????

Google results 3,580 hits in 0.23 seconds.

It's a wonder you didn't just put your usual "follow the link to..."

http://tinyurl.com/cghnnwf

http://tinyurl.com/cnd2b67

http://tinyurl.com/cjvthjb”

“Imagine_that, if my answers frighten you then you should cease asking scary questions.”

“Imagine_that,
I`m still trying to get my head round Wozza at a business conference:o”

“CT007

You'll have to remind me where I posted that your answers frightened me.

Perhaps at the same time you could show me some of my posts discussing the local food AND where I said 1700 laws weren't being used?”

“CT007

DID NOT SAY LOCAL FOOD .................He said LOCAL FOOL

Hammer and chisel spring to mind XD”

“Imagine_that, you can spend the next two days mulling this one over;

The path of the righteous man is beset on all sides by the inequities of the selfish and the tyranny of evil men. Blessed is he who, in the name of charity and good will, shepherds the weak through the valley of darkness, for he is truly his brother's keeper and the finder of lost children. And I will strike down upon thee with great vengeance and furious anger those who would attempt to poison and destroy my brothers. And you will know my name is the Lord when I lay my vengeance upon thee.”

“pippa1951

Maybe in THAT post - but it wasn't the one I was referring to.

The one I was talking about has been removed 3 times and obviously is no longer there, though I'm sure he'll oblige and put it back. Suitably edited of course.

At the same time that he shows me where I stated that 1700 laws are no longer in use.”

“CT007

Quote from Pulp Fiction.”

“CT007

Taken from Ezekiel 25:17”

“CT007

"if my answers frighten you then you should cease asking scary questions"

"Who is using the family braincell at the moment"

Note to myself. When CT007's posts don't make sense - it will be a quote. Probably from Black Adder or maybe Pulp Fiction.

In fact when CT007 posts, it will be a quote from something.

Not an original idea in his head. lol.”

“Oh dear Imagine_that regarding your comment to pippa1951, your delusional state appears to be getting worse by the minute as you are now referring to statements which have never occurred! Perhaps you would like to repost the missing post so we can all read this alleged typo?

This is clearly an advanced case argumentalism sociopathic syndrome I will let our fellow bloggers guess the acronym for this syndrome and suggest you stop making an, (insert acronym), of yourself...lol;-)”

“CT007 wrote on Sunday, March 25 2012, 6:03PM
.
"P.S. I made a few typo's for you to correct have fun;-)"


Yet CT007's previous post to that was one he made on March 11th.

Surely he didn't leave it 14 days between posting the March 11th one and coming back on the 25th to comment about the typos?

Now either he left it for 14 days or the post he made just before the P.S. one was removed.

As for reposting the missing post CT007 - it was your post. How can I repost it?”

“Make believe_so as to, in civility thou seem'st so empty.”

“CT007

Now that is really naughty.

No one is ever going to confuse you with Shakespeare!”