“How I agree. We had a very disruptive history class when I was at school. So much so that the teacher (poor old Mrs. Quayley) was reduced to tears one lesson. It really made the perpetrators think about what they'd done and happily, normality was restored for the rest of the term.

I got the cane several times and a size ten tennis shoe across the butt off geography master Mr. Scruton a few times. I detested Scruton who had it in for me always.

The other times I can say I probably deserved the punishment and I agree it made you think before you did something stupid. Problem you've got is the administers of the pain could always be secret sadists and this is always going to be an issue.”

“mutton you didn't have to smack your kids you could have simply talked to them and used boredom as a punishment.”

“Sensational,

How can you argue for the reintroduction of the cane when you state that you got it several times.
It didn`t work as a deterent for you or you wouldn`t have had it more than once.”

“Er, ouch. Did she really just say that? How naughty this poster is sometimes. I'll apologise on her behalf. Watch, her mate'll join in over that lions comment over on another channel about wiping a Country off a map....”

“Can't resist me can you mimi? LOL”

“Floss: I didn't get the cane as often as I'd have got a telling off. Therefore I would deem it a correction. I got caught doing something wrong, felt the pain. Remembered not to get caught next time.”

“The disruptive kids don't learn anything anyway so what's the point of them being in lessons? Meanwhile, without them the ones that want an education get one.

Personally I think we should educate kids to the age of about 10, then stick them up chimneys or down mines for the next ten years or until they recognise the importance of education. So many young people don't try at school/college and then regret it in later life.

As Michele Hanson wrote, 'Education is wasted on the young.'

http://tinyurl.com/b3bjynf”

“Alternatively, I could just click on the 'report' button ...”

“I would never advocate another person hitting my child, it is up to the parent and nobody else.There are plenty of meaningful punishments school staff can dish out that are effective.
One of my children was once very disruptive in his dormitory one evening, nothing was said until 3.00am the next morning when the staff member woke up my son and his friends , he sat them in the library for two hours and made them work, he kept them awake for exactly the amount of time he his sleep had been disrupted. Lesson learnt! Another favourite punishment was "fatigues" this required a lot of running and a lot of praying.
I was educated in a school where the staff were nasty and would hit, cane or a favourite was to slap the hand with a ruler, this did not control us, the staff who had the most control were fair and firm, they had our respect and our attention, a look was usually enough!
School staff are now dealing with children who have little or no discipline in the home, pupils know how far they can go and are fully aware of the powers the staff have, which is very little, I think teacher training is poor and there is a generation of teachers that seem o have very low expectations of pupil behaviour. When I worked in a school not a day went by that I wasn't shocked or even appalled by standards and expectations.”

“Teaching discipline should be the responsibility of parents. Teachers are there to educate not control. If children are not sufficiently disciplined to be educated they should be excluded and not allowed to disrupt the education of others.”

“John1947,
You are absoloutely correct but how is the problem dealt with? One school I worked in tolerated swearing, the staff didn't see what was wrong with spitting, a large proportion of pupils smoked cannabis during breaks, this was all brushed under the carpet.
We now have swanky new schools in our city but the same problem, rude, unruly pupils who have a sense of entitlement. What a waste of money, a new building didn't help Endeavour school achieve excellence. The best performing school Trinity House had the oldest and poorest facilities.”

“Bring back the cane. Most of the little troublemakers deserve it.”

“This generation is going to the dogs because of poor punishment and discipline.

If they are not punished, the little toerags will never learn their lesson and it will keep on getting worse.”

“Another side of this discipline issue arises later in life, that is, after leaving school. But it is interesting to remember that the teaching of it starts in the home before school age and should continue during the education system. But what about when it is time to learn a different kind of discipline, in the workplace? Is the threat of the sack and the resulting loss of income what maintains discipline? A different situation I experienced was when I was conscripted into the army at 18 years of age for what turned out to be 2 years. It would be hard to make anyone believe the bullying that existed in what was called basic training, but nevertheless thousands of lads got through it and I often wonder if 18 year-olds now had to be taken away from their home environment and experienced the same treatment would be better off for it.”

“Our kids are constantly getting lectured about their behaviour. Take today. A teacher was telling the class to show politeness by listening to her, and all the kids were talking as she was telling them.

Part of the problem with secondary teaching is, kids of that age - no matter how well brought up - think that they know better than adults. I'm sure I did at that age too.

As Mark Twain (who died over 100 years ago) wrote

"When I was a boy of 14, my father was so ignorant I could hardly stand to have the old man around. But when I got to be 21, I was astonished at how much the old man had learned in seven years."”

“Parents should be held accountable for their children's behaviour both at home, school and whilst they play outside. Folks it starts at home simple as.”

“StagChilli

Sadly parents don't agree. A while ago there was a story about children being too demanding of their parents (like pestering for stuff all the time) and someone had the cheek to post that teachers should teach kids not to pester!

Anyway in the new school buildings there is CCTV everywhere and the parents are fined if their kids are caught causing damage. The MINIMUM fine is £70.”

“On the other hand a could clip around the Lug and a the cane administered by the Head Teacher would not go a miss would bring most into line for those who carried on with their bad behaviour then Borstal followed by National service would do the trick.”

“Discipline takes many forms , from physical , mental and verbal .

The physical , is the cane and alike ( not needed to my mind )
The mental approach , is the threat to apply a physical or alternative punishment should the person concerned fails to conform.
The verbal , this is prob the most effective to my mind , its down to the tone of voice you speak when chastising the child or an adult for that matter .

Being taught RESPECT from being a child also helps , I was always taught to respect others and their belongings etc from as far back as I can remember.”

“by reallyyoung_G

Never realised that does it work though?”

“Stagchilli

Well !!!! I think it offers a good alternative , IT worked for myself , I passed the same lesson onto my Children , both of Which never brought trouble to my front door , and both went onto making good careers .

In my opinion its " what you say and how you say ", a different tone , maybe raise your voice a tadge the forceful approach without physical intervention .

I have never raised a hand to my children , only my voice .”

“It is something that the senior leadership deal with. When schools become academies the parents of problem children have to sign parenting contracts and academies have much more control over the kids they are willing to accept.

newlad

If a teacher tried the threat of physical punishment today's kids would laugh in their face. I have told various students about corporal punishment when I was at school and it is something beyond their comprehension. One asked, "Didn't your parents come in to complain?" (Not that I ever was caned I hasten to add)

And respect is something that today's kids think is very important. Only they expect adults to respect them, not the other way around.”

“reallyyoung

If you want to teach a child how to respect , you as a parent must have respect for others .
you cannot expect a butcher to repair a car .

I taught my children how to respect by starting them to respect there friends opinions , relatives and other peoples property etc , saying Thank you and Please .

Basic things that can grow with them , Sadly in this day and age all those things have been cast aside , the end result are the kids that you describe , maybe its the parents that should be going back to school .”

“newlad

I here what your saying and you do make a good point but that as worked for you. Discipline does not hurt or scar anyone and sometimes looking back the old ways did gain respect from what I see in today's society with regards to children or youth is a lack of respect by some elements of those age groups. Look let me just give an analogy without sounding patronising. A Lioness or a Lion will play with its cubs lovingly but when the cub does something wrong or steps out of line the consequence is swift and can be quite harsh but the cub learns very quickly. That is the same punishment similar to using the cane at school or the slipper and at home the slipper or the belt I had that and alot of my friends did aswell did us no harm but it taught us one thing not to do the same thing again which got us into trouble and my father and I know my friends were of the same thought of their fathers they had our respect not through fear but knowing when not to cross those boundaries similar to the Lioness the Lion and their cubs.”

“StagChilli

I get your point , but I'm sure we are far better educated than the animal kingdom , if the use of the cane or slipper was so effective why have parents stopped using these as a form of punishment ?

To instill fear into a person does not make that person a better individual , but education does .

However that said , I do feel that teachers of today have very little movement when it comes to discipline within the classroom .=, maybe in time that will change , but I go back to my original thought , Respect is taught in the home ,albeit it maybe old fashioned .”

“Yes, I agree that teaching our children to be respectful and to say please and thank you is a nursery stage of discipline teaching, but I remember being told 'Respect is earned, not expected'. Good manners have taken a bashing because of modern attitudes to eating together at a table and the clear message that comes from some women that if they are accorded the respect of men holding doors open for them of offering them seats on buses, it is demeaning in some way! However, the other side of the coin is when, as an old-un I'm often offered a seat - sometimes by young women! Surprising, nice and a bit embarrassing but usually accepted so as not to cause offence.”

“Mutton8,

I find your last post quite ironic.

To be honest I don`t think many women do get offended at anyone holding a door open for them. Possibly the really staunch feminists but they`re odd anyway. However, if you find it embarrassing when a young women offers you her seat, don`t you think that women feel the same way.

Holding a door open is purely good manners, offering a seat could be seen that you think the other person is somehow weaker than you.

Going back to the original post, I cannot understand how anyone thinks it`s perfectly acceptable to use violence against children. Adults can be just as nasty and disruptive but no one would ever get away with assaulting an employee.”

“Mutton8

Well I'm old fashioned with old fashion values. If a young women offers to give up her seat on the bus for you, you would probably offend her by refusing her kindness , as a result you would have dis -respected her kindness as such playing a part in this epidemic .”

“Old fashioned values are really just good manners which are on the decline, there too many parents who have no idea what good manners are and fail to pass them on. I have often thought there should be a certificate in etiquette, I am sure it would more valuable to pupils and employers than some GCSE's.
Talking of which how many forum readers have received thank you letters for gifts they have sent this Christmas?”

“I was thanked for all the presents I sent.”

“Not letters though, phone calls.”

“Kids can only write letters these days if the printer has ink in ;))”

“See you all tomozz. xx”