“i am all for it, too many people think they can get away with not working and just scrounge of tax payers for ever. no way should you be able to get more money for doing nothing than if you were working.”

“It has to be wrong if you can have a bigger income by not working than by working.”

“This could hit the poorest hard from the old "nasty party"!”

“Lottonews

People on £26,000 a year aren't 'poor'.”

“Lottonews,
My husband and my wages combined aren`t £26,000. As I only work part time I don`t pay tax now ( but have in the past) but I begrudge every penny of my husbands tax going to pay someone to sit on their backside.”

“Makes me glow with pride in the knowledge that I am doing my bit. Subsiding people people who get more on benefits than I earn.”

“As I said earlier, I begrudge our taxes being paid to people to sit and do nothing but with the way things are going at the moment it`s a bit unfair to lump every unemployed person together.
I think this £26,000 cap is at the top end of the scale. I can`t imagine anyone, even with a large family living in rented accomodation that costs thousands a month, in Hull.
With the recent redundancies from the public sector I think it`s only fair if the government gives a little leeway, say give the recently unemployed 6 months to find another job and then reduce benefits in three monthly lots.
The only other way would be to put the minimum wage up so it has to be worth going out to work.”

“Any working-class person in favour of ANY policy brought in the Tory party is a turkey, voting for Christmas.”

“bobsbods - any working class person who works should be in favour of anything that stops scroungers from doing nothing and getting paid with their taxes.”

“It should be dropped to £15000 a year, my wife and i manage quite well on that amount, you just have to live within your means.”

“Bobsbods, in principle I agree with you. However, I resent paying taxes to subsidise people who are getting a substantial amount more than me for not working.

I am sure many of these unfortunate people would like to work and cannot. Others realise they may get more for not working and resist looking for work. Some are just opportunists and get what they can for nothing.

Even £26,000 is much more than I earn. There must be a better way”

“How about sending unemployed people out to work in the community like cleaning the streets and such, at least we would get something back for the taxes we pay.”

“marfleetmike

I suggested that on a news story a while ago and everyone was outraged.

I (obviously) think it's a good idea. Divide the amount of benefits they get by the minimum wage and let them work that number of hours. It would also create work for the people who have to supervise them.

Also, what people forget is that people on benefits get things like free dental care, free prescriptions, free eye tests, help towards spectacles, Healthy Start vouchers etc. This isn't factored in to the £26,000 cap.”

“I can't believe how much people get on benefits, no wonder none of them want to work!!! Nor how massive my tax burden is to support them. Are these figures real????

From all of the major parties, the minimum wage is set at around £240 per week. As all parties agree that this is an amount of income that people can live on why on this earth is anyone on benefits paid more than this?!!!!

There are millions (literally) of honest hard working people earning the minimum wage who would love to have an income anywhere near £26000 (I'm a department manager with huge responsibilities and only get £24000pa gross!!).

Totally wrong, cap it at £10000 and watch the number of scroungers suddenly become elegible to work!”

“Southernchef,
I`m pretty sure that the majority of people on benefits are not getting anywhere near £26,000. This figure depends on how many children you have and is mainly aimed at people living in high cost property in the more expensive areas of London.
Having said that, I still believe that no one should be getting more for not working than they do for getting a job.”

“I think a ceiling of 26k is more than generous, anyone relying on benefits should adjust their way of life accordingly, like all responsible people have to.
If I earn 32k, common sense dictates that I don't live a 50k kifestyle.

As Imagine_that says, these people are also exempt from prescription and dental charges etc, so in real terms they are getting considerably more for doing nothing.

Many people work very hard for much less than £26,000 so why should some sit back, do nothing and still be better off.
I believe that those on benefits who are able, should carry out work of some nature, surely this would make them ( the ones with a conscience ) feel that they are contributing something to society rather than just being a drain on the taxpayer.It would also help create a work ethic and give them some experience to call upon when seeking paid work. I'm sure that there are those who would love to get off benefits and into employement just as there are those who have no intention of ever seeking employment.
If there is no limit to the amount of benefits available it gives the impression that the government is providing absolutely no incentive to look foremployment.”

“QKhumba

Good points.

Also, virtually every criminal is on benefits of some sort so we are subsidising their criminal lifestyle. If they had to get up and go to work for their benefits every day it would give them a lot less time to get into trouble. And if they chose to come off benefits then that will be a red flag to the police to ask where is their income coming from.”

“Also a few months ago I was on the bus and a young lad was talking on his mobile telling someone about a factory job that he'd been forced to take by the Job Centre. He loved it and was telling them how good he felt being busy and going shopping with money in his pocket.”

“i dont think the work is out there as we are a race who invented computers to make our lifes easier and hay presto now computers do the work of thousands and thousands of people ,,,,easy answer get rid of computers ,,
my other more terrible side says in the old days birds stayed at home and looked after the house and kids maybe birds should stay at home as well theres a lots more jobs there ,,,
and lastly benefits was suppose to help people not be a way of living its only the few that have taken the p.ss out of the system ????????????”

“Good idea Wozza, please set an example to us all and be the first to get rid of your computer.”

“I think you all need to go and look what the cap actually means. No one is getting 26k in state handouts to do what they please with. The vast majority of that is in housing benefit which goes directly to the landlord. Rent caps are what's needed, not benefit caps.”

“ShanMil

There are (a few) people out there who have large families and for some reason have established the right to live in megga expensive areas in London.

Why should the people who own these properties be forced to drop the rent to accommodate people on benefits?

The whole point of the benefit cap is to tackle rents. The people living in houses that they could never dream of affording if they were working can then either find a propery that they can afford or the landlord can drop the rent if they want to keep renting it out to people on benefits.”

“wot and upset every 1 mr mouse , i think as u are at retirement age u should retire and let some young people have a chance to work instead of been greedy ???????????”

“You can think what you like and as usual, you haven't got your facts right.

When are you getting rid of your computer Wozza? It's the best idea you've ever had. There again, you appear to post the first thing that comes into your head, still I suggest you go for it.

Do us all a favour.”

“These statistics were published in the Daily Telegraph in Aug 2010.

New figures from the Department for Work and Pensions show that there are 100,000 households who receive benefits and tax credits worth more than £23,244 a year.

Other figures published by the department showed that 175,000 households were entitled to £400 to £500 per week, (£20,800 to £26,000 a year)

50,000 households were entitled to more £500 a week (over £26,000 a year).”

“QKhumba

That was 17 months ago so the amount will have gone up no doubt.”

“There was a guy on the BBC news channel the other week who had moved to London with his family to "look for work". He was renting a house in Maida Vale at a cost to the taxpayer of £2000/pw. This is the type of thing that needs to be clamped down on.”

“Exactly harry. How on earth did the council accept him moving to Maida Vale? Well that is £104,000 in housing benefit alone so will be stopped once the law goes through.”

“I've no problem with people claiming who have genuinely fallen on hard times, but too many claimants take p1ss, especially the life-long professional dolites.”

“This guy will really suffer with the cuts, and righttp://tinyurl.com/7gl6ful so...”

“mr mouse when have i said i am getting rid of my computer ???????????? ur an old man,, me thinks u have a problem,, and how will that make your life easier if my computer goes ,,,all u are doing is bulling people to have the same views as ur old self and your imaginary bird imagine that ????????
stop wot u are doing go to the bog get a shower as u must smell of wee and retire and let some young guy who deserves a chance at work instead of filling your own pockets u greedy old man”

“Tozza, if you advocate we get rid of computers you should set an example and be the first to do so. Abuse will get you nowhere and when I reach retirement age in 15 months, I will then consider retiring.

By the way I don't bull people. Just addressing your posts and the nonsensical content they contain.”

“ok duck ............ and u do bully people as always wen any 1 puts something u and ur bird just take it to the extremes retire u old fool and let some younger person do your job it is only fair is it not ?????????????????”

“Wozza

Why do people think that your posts are 'fun'? They are just abusive and ignorant. You tell me that I shouldn't be asking your main man (pippa_mia) why she is posting so late yet you try telling people when they should retire and make comments about their age.

You are hardly in the first flush of youth (though if you were born in 1968 you are younger than your photo makes you out to be). You are a lot nearer to retirement age than you are to these younger people that you are talking about.

Oh but I forgot, you made a hilariously funny comment about the photo on your postings maybe not being you. I'm still laughing at that.

No sorry, hang on a minute. I'm actually laughing at your comment to pippa_cara that she isn't one of the clever people.”

“Tozza, first of all, I must apologise for my grammatical error at the end of my last post. No doubt you spotted it but didn't wish to embarrass me by mentioning it.

I do not bully on this forum, I have merely asked you a few questions with regard to the comments you make. The most recent being your sexist comments about the Female Gender and your apparent disregard of women's right to work. Suffragettes fought hard against people like you, I'm sure they wouldn't like to go back to 'the good old days'.

I also asked if you would be prepared to be the first to get rid of your computer', after all, you made the suggestion. That isn't bullying.

By the way, have you made up with Pippa yet? She seems to have fallen out with you for some reason. Perhaps it was the sexist comment.”

“Wozza,
MY thread is about the benefits cap. It has nothing whatsoever to do with working mums or computers. Neither is it a sounding board for you to abuse and insult perfectly legitimate posters when they try to answer your illegible ramblings.
Just for once, do you think you could compose a well constructed, intelligent and readable answer to the main thread on this forum?”

“flossy

Methinks that wozza isn't getting the response for his forums that he expected this time round, so he is coming onto others to provake a reaction.

A_M

Perhaps pippa_mia isn't talking to him because he told her to 'take no notice of the clever posters'?”

“I doubt it.”

“Well just as long as no one starts a forum asking where she is!

Probably off with the 'gals' again.”

“harry

Is your dog sitting in a crop circle?”

“Imagine_that, how could you? You have another man. Who is Harry? I am devastated, I think I will cultivate Pippa.

Well perhaps not. I will be happy to play second fiddle.”

“Imagine_that,
Don't ask,"Designer" rug apparently.”

“mmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm u lot are defo wierd lmao”

“A_M

Don't you think that harryoffdock2's piccy is cute?

And doesn't the rug look like a crop circle?

We were discussing dogs on that lost springer spaniel forum and I guess he changed his piccy to show us what his dog looks like.

You may have burnt your boats as far as cara_1951 is concerned ... if her bloke ever turned up

And you did mention mrs mouse ...”

“wozza,
How can you refer to poster's as being weird ?
I have read many of your inane ramblings and come to the conclusion that I have more chance of opening my fridge to find the Higgs boson staring at me than of you making a relevant post.”

“"However, I do not care for sexist remarks such as the one made by Tozza earlier another thread.
Perhaps you are comfortable with such an outdated attitude but I am not" REALLY ?


"I am devastated, I think I will cultivate Pippa" ...............cultivate ???

No wonder you're still a spinster/bachelor/whatever”

“A_M

from pippa_1951

"No wonder you're still a spinster/bachelor/whatever"

Hasn't she realised by now that there is a Mrs Mouse? I thought that she read posts and remembered what they contained? Or was that cara_mia? They are so alike I sometimes get them confused ...”

“harry

Now THAT is funny ... true, but funny.”

“Imagine_that, methinks I touched a nerve with the word 'cultivate', pmsl as her protégé would say.”

“Or perhaps she's jealous!”

“A mouse/a walrus.............talking to yourself.............oh yes, I'm jealous :(


Now THAT is funny ... true, but funny

As my protégé would say PMSL”

“OMG it's past midnight

I'll be due another load of abuse in the morning

Goodnight all, I've got some percentages to practice”

“Apollo

I prefer PMSB when referring to pippa_mia.”

“night pippa”

“Wozza, taking your sexist views into account - do you consider pippa1951 to be a 'bird'?

by wozza1968Tuesday, January 31 2012, 7:52AM
"night pippa"

A budding romance perhaps?

When are you going to answer the questions with regard your bigoted values? You're going to duck the issue methinks.”

“As expected, no response. Tozza is intellectually incapable of justifying anything.

A brainless sexist and ageist bigot and also a liar.”

“Apollo_mouse

I see you're gritting the teeth and foaming at the mouth again lol”

“Pippa, no gritting of teeth or foaming at the mouth I'm afraid. When are you going to post your link to prove your theories on 'The Good Old Days'? lol”

“A_M

"The good old days" were in inverted commas

Do you understand that ?

You probably had a tough time of it when you growing up. **** happens and society gets lumbered with supercilious bores such as yourself”

“mr mouse i accept your apology very nice of u i must add well done u old fart ,now wot wus it u wanted to ask me ???????????????????????????????????
got it u callin me all them nasty names now thats not on at all ,,,,,, now before i get upset again by your fowl key board unless u are prepared to say sorry again i will not type to an old fart like u again .....................................................................
its a shame wen adults hide behind cartoons and are not able to say something they cant do with there own face just shows how cowardly they are ,,,,,
so if u want a proper comment from me then show me who im typing to
thankyou .................................. mr wozza1968”

“pippa_1951

"society gets lumbered with supercilious bores "

What's your excuse?

ps No one is forcing you to come on here and talk to us.”

“Now you are changing your tune Pippa. You are angry, very angry, I can sense it along with your pain and frustration:

http://tinyurl.com/8xmfyhd

Try a change of medication, it may help.”

“Tozza, you are fantasising, what apology? Your attempt to wriggle out of the questions I asked you is feeble to say the least.

If you make a statement with regard to inequality, you should be capable of putting forward an argument to support it. You are on your own here, even your beloved Pippa cannot summon up the wits to add her support to you bigoted views.

Perhaps you are not used to people asking pertinent questions in order to glean something meaningful from your semi intelligent comments.”

“A_M

As an animal lover I want to know what this is about your "fowl key board"????????????

I hope no chickens were hurt during its manufacture.”

“A_M

"your semi intelligent comments"

Steady on, that's a bit extreme isn't it? Where did you get the 'intelligent' bit from?????????????????”

“wozza

"say sorry i wont write to u after this ?????????????????"

Are you talking to me or "writing to ya not talking u imagine that ?????"

I do wish that jenoh was here, but if you mean that you will ignore me in future if I don't say sorry - wow, all my Christmases and birthdays have come at once. Phewwww.

Does that mean we now have a wozza free zone? Yippeeeeeee.”

“I wonder if wozza's popped round to pippa's to get jiggy?”

“harryoffdock2

Careful - pippa_mia will be accusing you of being me next!

But you have a point. They are a match made - well on the HDM forums I suppose.”

“Harry, Jiggy with piggy, the mind boggles!”

“is wozza dead yet?”

“no y down under ?????????????????????????”

“It should be a lot lower for the long term workshy scroungers and higher for those who have proved to be grafters long term but have been unlucky to have lost their jobs through no fault of their own.”

“Well said EastHFC.”

“Why should it be higher? Isn't it the equivalent of £35,000 before tax and how many ordinary people earn that?”

“Imagine that I do earn £35,000 before tax and like it or not, people live to their means and as I have never signed on (I imagine like you Bridrob) I feel entitled to a similar income to lessen the impact. I earn that much due to paying for my own education and having to sacrifice leisure and family time. With that in mind I consider myself to be a grafter.”

“EastHFC,
The difference is that you EARN that amount of money. You can`t expect to be given the same amount for sitting on your backside.”

“Agree flossyflathat,

The whole point of the limit is to make it better for people to work than be in benefits so if EastHFC gets £26k plus when s/he is out of work, there is no point in him/her ever going back. And how would it 'lessen the impact'? There wouldn't be an impact to lessen.

If someone wants to put their career over their family/leisure time that's their choice and their reward is their £35k salary. At least if you do lose your job and income, EastHFC, you will have plenty of time for both.”

“EastHFC, I did sign on once for 3 weeks between jobs 45 yrs ago.

People who are not spongers should have a reasonable income if unfortunate to be out of work. but IMO, it should be 'horses for courses'.

At the end of the day, I am sure many workers resent people getting more on benefits than they earn in wages.

ps, Enjoyed myself at Wakefield today!”

“I should have probably said for a period of time (say 3-6 months) to get used to the immediate impact and loss of earnings. I think once a grafter then always a grafter like you have demonstrated Bridrobin (ps Rovers are Agars worst nightmare I think)). By the way, it came across that I neglected family time as opposed to staying up till ungodly hours trying to get my qualifications as I'm no genius unfortunately as my old school reports would probably testify. I understand what you're saying inthedogshed/flossyflathat (Great names by the way) but people who are workers get bored with being at home all the time and actively seek out work if only through pride.”

“EastHFC

In the 60s, when there was full employment, if you lost your job you got the dole of 50% of your previous earnings for 6 months. I remember that because a friend's father used to deliberately come out of work for 6 months every year. With his tax rebate, he was almost as well off as if he'd been working.

Obviously, he was able to walk back into work at the end of 6 months.”

“I thought this was about capping benefits at £26,000?"”

“marfleetmike

I think you must have noticed by now that forums tend to go off the subject now and again and as your last post was number 81, I can't imagine we would have got anything like that many comments if we had religiously stuck to the main question.

But I think we have done well as MOST of the comments have been about benefits.”

“It is a attempt to get the working class to fight each other. ITS A FEW GREEDY LANDLORDS IN THE CENTRE OF LONDON. The people done get the money it goes straight to landlords via housing beafit payments. Single mothers with children cann't work.
Don't fall for it.
The low wages paid is the reason that people cann't get off benafits.
what about the tax dodging rich, they don't worry about bus fares to work, or get on thier bikes.”

“mikewhit

It's a lot more than 'single mothers with children' though isn't it?

And many of the people who are on benefits have never worked in their lives, so cannot be 'working class.'”

“am i the only one who can see whats wrong with this benefits cap? sometimes i feel like im in a zombie film surrounded by the brain dead or just mindless sheep who cant think past anything the goverment says. the problem stems from the fact that some people havnt had a pay rise in over 10 years. rich get richer while the rest of us are dive bombing towards the poverty line. shouldnt the goverment implement a new minimum wage thats makes it worth while to work. or at least see some benefit from working? no, that will never happen because the ones in the secret boys club with their silly secret hand shakes look after their own”

“spastitute

Yes, you are the only one with any insight into the political situation. Congratulations. It must be so frustrating to have to live with the rest of us numpties.

Now all you have to do is work on your punctuation, and you'll be perfect.

Seriously, no one should be better off on benefits and no one working should need benefits to make their income up to a living wage. I think I have already said this, but when this happens the tax payer is subsidising big business and of course the minimum wage should increase. However that will mean price rises as the same companies will have to meet these extra costs somewhere.”

“thats a bit out of order ,,, i agree with u spastitute our political partys are all just out for themselves,,,,while people like the forum police stick up for these people and let them get away with murder ,,i have been talking about our mps and wot they get upto and its disgusting it needs to be sorted ,,,,, 2 rules should not be allowed at all ?????????????????????”

“wozza

"like the forum police stick up for these people and let them get away with murder "

I like to think of us as the "sensible posters".

But once again your razor sharp brain has cut straight to the heart of the problem. MPs are getting away with murder because the "sensible posters" who post on the HDM forums let them. Just think how different society would be if us 3 (I daren't include jenoh but I will include flossy and A_M) had put our feet down with a heavy hand when you first posted on here and told us what was going on!”

“Wozza states and I quote,"2 rules should not be allowed at all".

Typical Wozza garbage, he is one of the worst for practicing dual standards. For example, his statement advocating we should all get rid of our pc's springs to mind. He didn't mean his own computer of course. Another example is his refusal to attempt to use basic English grammar. Of course, he expects the posts of others to be readable.

How's your 'bird' Wozza?”

“I`m still trying to work out how MP`s being "out for themselves" has anything to do with people being given upwards of £35,000 for doing nowt.
I do agree that the minimum wage is far too low and I think it`s ridiculous that a government decides on a minimum wage and then has to top it up with various tax credits but this has been going on for too long now.
We`ve gone from being means tested and ashamed of being unemployed to have it all and be proud about it.”

“Imagine_that - it's ok, you can count me in on this one. Idiot-thicko-clever-sensible person that I am. It's all our fault!

Flossy - it does seem to snowball, doesn't it? There are so many credits and benefits that people can qualify for that I can understand how a little bit of help can turn into a way of life (if you don't put the brakes on it yourself).

As I understand it the proposal is to simplify the benefits system so people who genuinely need help can get it without becoming entangled in red tape. In the process it has highlighted just how much can be claimed (legally) which makes strong, clear headlines.”

“jenoh

There is a lot of publicity about what the government plans to do, but little seems to be happening. I suppose it doesn't help that the Lords keep defeating the Bills and demonstrators take to the streets to protest about people being invited to do a couple of weeks' work for their benefits and, in the process, get some work experience and maybe even a job.

wozza seems to think he can sort everything out but won't actually tell us how. He'd rather start nonsensical threads and attack anyone who actually responds to him.”

“Both my partner and I work and claim no benefits of any kind. However I am more than a little uncomfortable with the Governments intention to cap benefits at any level. It is easy for us to find 26,000 a generous sum to live on in Hull. In the south east this amount is rather paltry. I feel that the Government is playing a clever game with the 'anti-benefit' feeling that pevades society at the present time. I do believe that this proposed cap really is admittance that the Government have failed in managing an effective benefits system with a fair and morally sound safety net as was the Welfare State legislations' original intention. I despair that we have become a society (that calls itself civilised) that is all too ready to judge and write off a large part of the population in austere times. Are we really so harsh on the less fortunate? Do we really want a two tier society of have and have nots again?”

“amt555

As we have already discussed, £26,000 in benefits is the equivalent of £35,000 to a working family.

I hardly think that paying that amount of benefits is writing anyone off.”

“I cannot agree with you amt555, I think you are missing the point. Many working people who pay their taxes do not earn anything approaching £26.000 per annum, never mind a figure exceeding this.

I do agree with you that people should be supported when out of work but to pay them more than those who are working is a slap in the face for them.

Also, I see the argument to match someones wage for a while if they are made redundant and are forced to seek work. But to continue paying out huge amounts of money for evermore gives no incentive whatsoever to them.

In many countries,the US included, blanket benefits are not available for everyone out of work. I do not advocate that we do the same in the UK but we should look at this issue in a sensible and practical way.

By the way, I consider myself to be 'left of centre' when it come to politics.”

“amt555,
We already have a society of have and have nots. The grafters that work long hours for low pay are, compared to some on benefits, the have nots.”

“A_M

People who are made redundant get redundancy pay (if they have worked for them for at least 2 years) to help them over that initial period. The minimum is a week's wages for every year worked or 1.5 weeks if you are over 41. With a maximum limit of £430 a week.

Some companies pay considerably more than this.

In the 1960s the dole was half someone's wage for 6 months, but there was full employment then.”

“Imagine_that, yes, I am familiar with statutory redundancy entitlement unfortunately, in most cases it is not enough.

For whatever reason, I genuinely feel for those who want to work and cannot. I do not have any time for spongers.”

“In 'normal' times redundancy is probably enough to see someone by until they find another job. It has happened to me twice and both times I got another job almost straight away. Obviously things are different at the moment but as so many economic immigrants are living and working in the UK, there must have been enough work to go round once.”

“This discussion has centered around the ability and willingness of someone to find a job. Lets not forget that many vunerable people who will never work due to severe disability and their families that care for them will be affected by this. Providing 24 hours a day care for someone has many hidden expenses and these people should really recieve unlimited support from all of us that can work if we are still a civilised compassionate society.”

“amt555, unlimited could mean an awful lot of money. IMO, affordable and fair support would be more appropriate.”

“About time to. To many sitting on their backsides”

“maybe if old sods retired when they are suppose to, to let the young people have a chance ,at the end of the day our system is corrupt as everything else is ,, and were on this forum have i said get rid of personal computers old fella ?????????? i think ur losing ya mind old man u need to put ya old useless feet up instead of trying to squeeze as much money out of the system as u can get ,,, im going to retire now i think and let some young fella me lad have a go at earning a living ????????? lead by example old fella dont get to greedy now ?”

“wozza

I assume that your garbled post is aimed at Apollo_Mouse, though as usual you expect us all to be mind readers.

Retirement age for men is currently 65. He isn't 65 yet so why should he retire without any income to replace his wage?

And how is working "trying to squeeze as much money out of the system as u can get"? Being on benefits with your feet up is squeezing money out of the system, working is putting money into the economy.

"im going to retire now" - hopefully from these forums. Permanently.”

“Wozza,
So, you are going to do the decent thing and retire to let one of our youngsters take your job are you?
How many 18 year old long distance lorry drivers do you know?
What are you going to do for money? Sign on and live off benefits. Nice one...I don`t think.
The government decide when we retire unless we are lucky enough to have enough money to live on and even then we don`t get state pension until we are 66 now. This is because it`s cheaper to pay young people unemployment benefit than an older person state pension.”

“Oh how we laughed!
So wozza is retiring at 43/44. hasn`t a clue how he`s going to keep himself and his family but some some NEET might get a job out of it.
And he calls me a loser!!!”

“at least u no your name pmsl”

“wozza's replies are what you would expect from a 5 year old child ("at least u no your name")

I wonder when his intelligence will catch up?”

“Wozza,
You really are a silly billy aren`t you?
You answer a post by calling me a loser and then answering my questions (or not in your case) and then think it`s hilarious that I "know my name".
Time to do some serious growing up on your part.”

“lol”

“Mmmm, me thinks the wassock is dumbfounded. He needs an intelligent put down and can`t think of one lol.”

“wozza

You are a great roll model, sorry role model, for this youth club you are trying to set up.

But the 'boxing' bit explains a lot if it's your hobby.”

“wot u trying to say ?????????????????????????”

“wozza

I'm not 'trying' to say anything. The comment is enough for anyone with an iota of brain power to understand.

And on this subject, have you ever had your IQ measured? I bet it's a negative number.”

“aint bothered i dont need a piece of paper to tell me if im clever or not ,,,lifes to short for that u puddins , so explain yourself by your comment ,,,,if i do get this club sorted i do hope u will come to the place and let me know who you are so i can have a good laugh at wot has been talking to me looks like ,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,ill keep every 1 informed at wots ****ging every 1 off looks like ,,, mind you that wont happen your to immature to talk to some 1s face aint ya ????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????”

“wozza

I hope you are sitting down when I break this news to you. Now keep calm and don't panic (don't eat pies either)

This is an online forum. We all use made up names and photos of our choice and key in our comments through a computer.

WE DO NOT MEET FACE TO FACE. WE DO NOT TALK.

That is the whole point.

Haven't you noticed?”

“wozza

"aint bothered i dont need a piece of paper to tell me if im clever or not "

Somehow I don't think that the piece of paper will tell you that you are clever. But that's only a guess of course. And if you do get a large number for your IQ result, it will be preceded by a minus sign.

Oh, and pippa_wotsit only comes in on your side because she thinks that you are thick too otherwise she would let you fight your own battles.”

“Imagine_that, even if he had a piece of paper he would struggle to read it in order to input the details on his CV.

No that isn't a car Wozza.”

“Wozza you posted:

by wozza1968Friday, March 09 2012, 6:50PM
"aint bothered i dont need a piece of paper to tell me if im clever or not ,,,lifes to short for that u puddins , so explain yourself by your comment ,,,,if i do get this club sorted i do hope u will come to the place and let me know who you are so i can have a good laugh at wot has been talking to me looks like ,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,ill keep every 1 informed at wots ****ging every 1 off looks like ,,, mind you that wont happen your to immature to talk to some 1s face aint ya ????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????"

I would assume that you have met Pippa face to face? I believe you will not comment upon this post.”

“Wozza,
,,ill keep every 1 informed at wots ****ging every 1 off looks like ,,, mind you that wont happen your to immature to talk to some 1s face aint ya ????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????"

Just who are we ****ging off apart from you?”

“Now all we need, is to cap benefit claimant's children to 2.6...”

“Where to start with this outstanding question, well here goes.
My view on the Benefits system has far been grossed by the very people that leech from it with no intention of ever returning anything back to the system they scrounge from.
The uproar you receive when trying to make somebody work for the benefits they receive which they have grown up to believe is their entitlement.

I work 40 hours a week to receive after tax pretty much the equivalent a jobseeker would receive inclusive of his/her housing costs and other benefit entitlements.
This country is hell bent on penalising the very people who try earn an honest living, the very people who make a community what it is, the very people who have shaped society, and favour those who scrounge and choose the inferior lifestyle, the drug/alcohol abuser and the criminals.

Just the other day whilst watching TV i learnt that a naval crew aboard a HMS Submarine get an average of £2.34 a day in their food allowance, that is less than someone in Her Majesties Royal Palace of Scumbags gets, so who did the math there? You serve your country and do a heroic job 24/7 and you get treated worse than someone who doesnt work and the only heroic act he ever did was boasting to friends alike how he stole from some 89 Year old pensioner last weekend.

I Believe benefits should be earnt or stripped, no feeling sorry because you cant afford to live, the option there would be get a job and earn a living. If you choose to have children whilst claiming the state then you should not receive anything further for that child, you have a brain well a percentage of you do think about the future and how you might support that child before letting some blow his beans up your muff in the local park.

Stringent vetting of all claiments should be introduced and more surveillance added for those wishing to flout the system. Claiments from abroad should be made to stay in their own countries if they wish to claim public funds afterall we are not a take all you can country or are we? The answer be Yes and its for that very reason we are in this sorry state, no amount of moaning and complaining will ever create justice or fairness in this land. To many people who are born or employed to intervene and stand up for the people who demise our land are to blame, the ones who say you cant say that or you cant do that its not fair, when really it is fair and all that comes with the actions you take is fair, you afterall are in charge of what you do.

I think thats fair enough to say my pledge is over as for each and every word of spoken truth nothing i say will ever be set in stone, so lets just wave goodbye to fair and justified moral society.”