We'll fight 30mph plan
PARENTS have launched a petition protest against police moves to raise the 20mph speed limit outside their village school.
Humberside Police want a 30mph speed limit outside the school at Fangfoss because they do not enforce 20mph restrictions.
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CONCERNED: Children and parents with the petition in Fangfoss. Picture: Jerome Ellerby
Police say raising the speed limit will help them with enforcement.
But parents of pupils at St Martin's CE Primary fear the move will increase traffic speed on the route, near Pocklington.
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They are also warning parents in other areas to beware 20mph speed limits are not being policed.
Parents are now urging East Riding Council to resist moves to increase the 20mph limit.
Parent Dr Eldon Spackman said: "I don't think most people know the 20mph speed limit is not enforceable so we hope people will follow the 20mph restriction.
"We are worried that increasing the speed limit would lead to an increase in traffic speed."
Mother-of-three Suzanna Dryden said: "It's quite a concern they can't enforce the 20mph limit – are they going to change the speed limit at all schools across the county where there is a 20mph zone?
"If a child were to be hit by a car at a slower speed they are more likely to survive."
Headteacher Paul Edwards said: "We are on a bit of a blind bend and the feeling is traffic is quite fast.
"The 20mph speed limit is not enforceable so people by and large ignore it.
"We are led to believe that at 30mph it becomes enforceable."
Humberside Police casualty reduction officer PC Simon Carlisle said 20mph limits are not enforced under ACPO (Association of Chief Police Officers) guidelines.
PC Carlisle said: "The reason for the ACPO guideline is 20mph speed limits should have road engineering in place in order that traffic finds it difficult to actually travel at more than 20mph.
"The majority of 20mph limits in the East Riding do fit that criteria.
"However in Fangfoss there is no engineering to support the 20mph limit, therefore vehicles can travel at considerably more than 30mph.
"We want to be in a position of enforcing a speed limit and the most sensible option is to revert it to 30mph."
8 Comments
by Hamster
Saturday, March 02 2013, 5:26PM
“20 mph limits are standard for school zones in the East Riding, and schools can be in use at any time, not just at start and finish times. St Martin's School is on a blind bend in a narrow road, opposite a pub and next to a crossroads. If ever there was a candidate for a 20 mph zone, this is it. The police say they can't enforce it because traffic calming measures are inadequate, and the Council won't provide any more because they seem to think pedestrian safety is less important than not holding up the heavy goods vehicles that shouldn't be allowed through the village in the first place. In practice the important thing is to reduce vehicle speeds, and the 20mph limit has successfully reduced average speeds to well below 30 mph, on the council's own figures.”
by Mildred
Saturday, March 02 2013, 11:34AM
“Thing is regardless of nonsense adverts that say you'll kill a kid at 40 but not at 30, you CAN kill anyone at 10 or even 5... it depends what you are driving... because I am damn sure that a 40 ton artic at 20mph is more lethal than a 1 ton car at 50.”
by Mildred
Saturday, March 02 2013, 11:31AM
“The thing is, 20mph zones are non-enforceable. It changed around 18 months ago, but then was changed back, as the guidance is that road geography (speed bumps, chicanes, etc) should mean than speeds over 20mph are impossible.
30mph IS however, an enforceable speed limit. I would imagine the Police are thinking that people driving dangerously can then be dealt with, not only by means of prosecution for excessive speed, but also careless driving, dangerous driving and anti-social vehicle use.”
by AdPotentia
Friday, March 01 2013, 9:41PM
“Why has the ERYC highways department spent so much money on unenforcable speed limit signage? Just how much has this cost.
Why would a child at Primary school be stood in the road? If a chld is not capable of being outside safely then it should be in the presence of a culpable responisble adult.
Stop blaming drivers and start educating children in road safety not wrapping them in cotton wool. If you stand on a railway track you will get hit by a train, if you stand in the road you get hit by a vehicle.”
by JayOnly
Friday, March 01 2013, 2:02PM
“20mph from say, eight till five pm, fair enough - I'd hate to injure a kid, no matter how stupid they are - but all night and early hours?...do me a favour, I like to get a move on. How about adding the deducted ten mph on to the other end and call it forty, out of hours? Everyone's a winner!”
by Robin4Life
Friday, March 01 2013, 10:12AM
“If you are concerned about the speed limit outside your village school then why don't the council do what they are doing at Dunswell and close it?”
by Strangley
Friday, March 01 2013, 9:25AM
“@Legle_Driver
You beat me to it there. I won't even drive past our local school when the lemings are leaving, 20mph limit or not. For the rest of the time, everone just ignores it”
by Legal_Driver
Friday, March 01 2013, 9:03AM
“I have no problem with a 20mph speed limit in the vicinity of schools - during school hours. However, I can see no reason for a 24/7 limit - why have such a limit during the night or during school holidays. Other counties seem able to do this with flashing signs so why can't we in this area?? We have the technology!!!”